Pre emphasis list?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by andyinstal, Jul 24, 2007.

  1. c-eling

    c-eling They're made of light,We never would have guessed

    Eventually I'm going to track down the vinyl of 3, one of my favorite albums of yore :cheers:
     
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  2. Orthonormal

    Orthonormal Turbo-nerd

    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Have pre-emphasis:
    Bruno Walter w/ Columbia Symphony Orchestra; Symphonies 35, 39; MK 42026 / DIDC 50073
    Bruno Walter w/ Columbia Symphony Orchestra; Symphonies 40, 41; MK 42028 / DIDC 50075
    Dire Straits; Alchemy Part One; 25102-2 (from 2-disc set 9 25085-2);Part Two (the second disc) from the same set does not have pre-emphasis.
     
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  3. Steve Martin

    Steve Martin Wild & Crazy Guy

    Location:
    Plano, TX
    I finally got the version of Jean-Michel Jarre's Zoolook that has track 7 flagged with pre-emphasis. What a mess.

    To summarize there are 3 early pressings of this release, with matrix codes ending in "01 #", "02 *" and "03#"

    "01 #" has the original track order and mixes, none are flagged with pre-emphasis (although track 7 looks like it might need it)
    "02 *" is labeled with the original track order and mixes, but actually contains altered track order and remixes, track 7 is flagged with pre-emphasis
    "03#" has the altered track order and remixes.

    There are very different masterings of the other tracks on all 3, track by track.

    01 Ethnicolor: 01 looks fine, 02 loud with clipping, 03 a little louder than 01 but fine
    02 Diva: 01 looks fine, 02 loud with clipping, 03 a little softer than 01 but fine
    04 Wooloomooloo: All 3 look the same
    06 Blah Blah Cafe: 01 looks fine, 02 loud with clipping, 03 loud with clipping
    07 Ethnicolor II: 01 looks fine, 02 (with de-emphasis) louder, peaking near 0, 03 quieter.

    More than I ever wanted to know. Mastering wise, 02 was clearly a mess, with the levels being jacked up too high for the most part.
     
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  4. oiler1fan

    oiler1fan Well-Known Member

    Count Basie- Basie in Europe - Japan for Japan, LRC C38-7481, Denon press, PE in Subcode not TOC.
     
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  5. hotsoup

    hotsoup Forum Resident

    Location:
    Walla Walla, WA
    From other threads and just confirmed from a physical copy:
    Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bollocks, Japan Virgin 32VD-1011 ("black triangle")

    dBpoweramp missed it but CUERipper confirmed it.
     
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  6. hotsoup

    hotsoup Forum Resident

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    Walla Walla, WA
    Another version of Toto's Isolation (different version) confirmed:
    Japan CBS/Sony 32DP 181
    Found by CUERipper.
     
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  7. c-eling

    c-eling They're made of light,We never would have guessed

    Here's another variant of ELO's-Secret Messages
    Pre-Emphasis found in the TOC
    DADC Austria Blue Stripe Epic 462487 2 JET-527 in the matrix
     
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  8. pahrumpf

    pahrumpf Well-Known Member

    Hmm. Odd. I get different figures for my 01:

    DR12 -0.79 dB -17.21 dB 11:42 01-Ethnicolor
    DR15 -0.25 dB -18.51 dB 7:32 02-Diva
    DR14 -0.12 dB -16.26 dB 3:52 03-Zoolook
    DR12 -2.61 dB -18.36 dB 3:19 04-Wooloomooloo
    DR14 -0.68 dB -17.06 dB 4:21 05-Zoolookologie
    DR12 -2.04 dB -15.51 dB 3:21 06-Blah-Blah Cafe
    DR13 -2.37 dB -19.58 dB 3:54 07-Ethnicolor II

    Edit: I just noticed your files are .m4a, so the difference is probably a consequence of lossy compression.
     
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  9. Steve Martin

    Steve Martin Wild & Crazy Guy

    Location:
    Plano, TX
    "823 763-2 01 #"?

    Mine is a blue face with french labeling (Fabrique en R.F.A).
     
  10. pahrumpf

    pahrumpf Well-Known Member

    Yes. Exact same matrix (including the "#" at the end). Although, mine is silver-faced, indicates that it is "Made in W. Germany by PolyGram," and has both Polydor and Disques Dreyfus labeling on it.
     
  11. Steve Martin

    Steve Martin Wild & Crazy Guy

    Location:
    Plano, TX
    Paul McCartney - Give My Regards to Broad Street - Parlophone CDP 7 46043 2 - Made in UK - 15 tracks.

    This was a surprise to me, I always assumed only the early 18 track version had pre-emphasis. My Capitol Jax CDP 7 46043 2, 15 track copy does NOT.

    There is also a Japan pressing of the Parlophone 15 track version, I assume it would also have pre-emphasis, can anyone confirm?
     
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  12. Steve Martin

    Steve Martin Wild & Crazy Guy

    Location:
    Plano, TX
    I got a copy of the T Bone Burnett title on this list and mine does NOT have pre-emphasis. Does anyone have one that does?

    Mine is Made in Japan and has the matrix: MCAD-5809 1A2 72
     
  13. Ricky Roma

    Ricky Roma Forum Resident

    Location:
    Scotland
  14. Steve Martin

    Steve Martin Wild & Crazy Guy

    Location:
    Plano, TX
    I like that, "manufacturing error". Like a machine malfunctioned and left off the extra tracks. Um, no.

    I wonder if the corrected 14 track versions also have pre-emphasis.
     
  15. Ricky Roma

    Ricky Roma Forum Resident

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    The pressing machine had taste ... it instantly recognised that some corporate was trying to mess around with the album flow and promptly deleted tge offending items :righton:
     
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  16. honzator

    honzator Forum Resident

    Location:
    Slovakia
    Finally got chance for checking an original CP35-3088 (matrix 1B1 Toshiba) black triangle pressing of John Coltrane - Blue Train album. I can finally say that this cd does not have any pre-emphasis. Just for info.
     
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  17. Steve Martin

    Steve Martin Wild & Crazy Guy

    Location:
    Plano, TX
    Bob James and Earl Klugh - One on One - CBS/Sony 35DP-10 and CBS/Tappan Zee CK 36241 made in Japan with 35DP-10 matrix
     
  18. Ironbelly

    Ironbelly Forum Resident

    Location:
    Porto, Portugal
    Can anybody confirm/decline presence of pre-emphasis for Black Triangle The Rolling Stones - Tattoo You [CP35-3032]?

    I test my copy with matrix CP35-3032-3 1A1 using EAC .095 prebeta3 with manual TOC detection and it did not find pre-emphasis.
     
  19. Steve Martin

    Steve Martin Wild & Crazy Guy

    Location:
    Plano, TX
    Ricky Skaggs - Highways & Heartaches - Epic EK 37996 - Made in Japan
     
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  20. c-eling

    c-eling They're made of light,We never would have guessed

    Wow, Ricky with pre-, nice find man!
     
  21. Dave S

    Dave S Forum Resident

    Another Denon produced classical title (for the Supraphon label) - not set in the TOC.

    Czech Philharmonic Orchestra/Sir Charles Mackerras, "Janáček Glagolitic Mass", 33C37-7448, C37-7448 | 1A8 5Z matrix
     
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  22. Dave S

    Dave S Forum Resident

    Can you add

    Genesis, "Genesis", Virgin/Charisma, GEN CD1, 814 287-2 01 matrix

    to the Atlantic target. The Vertigo disc also shares this mastering. Not flagged in the TOC.
     
  23. Yost

    Yost “It’s only impossible until it’s not”

    Thanks!!! I'm I glad you posted this. I almost wanted to bid on a 02* matrix Zoolook, thinking it was the same an 01#.
     
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  24. Yost

    Yost “It’s only impossible until it’s not”

    There is a silver faced Polydor ‎(823 763-2), and a blue faced Disques Dreyfus ‎(FDM CD-18118) release with this matrix number. Both made by PolyGram in Germany (R.F.A. stands for "République Fédérale d'Allemagne", French for Germany. Nothing to worry about. Keep calm and carry on...

    ...wait a minute, that 01# disc has higher DR-levels than all other pressings. :faint:
     
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  25. TeeBlob

    TeeBlob New Member

    Location:
    Dallas TX
    There was some discussion of this back in post 641, 642, 643. I am convinced some masterings have pre-emphasis even if not properly flagged. Knowing the history of this album, how it was recorded, the reputation of Hugh Padgham, and the usual professionalism of WCI's mastering, etc, I have always suspected pre-emphasis. The CD is just so bright. Never had that problem with the vinyl, which I bought the day it came out.
     

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