Pre emphasis list?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by andyinstal, Jul 24, 2007.

  1. SOONERFAN

    SOONERFAN Forum Resident

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    Has anyone checked Sade Diamond Life first Japan press 32・8P-61 for pre-emphasis? What about the first Japan press for Promise. Those came out in 84 and 85 which I understand is right around the time pre-emphasis was used.
     
  2. c-eling

    c-eling Forum Resident

    The CSR Japan Wheels mimics my US Steve Hall LP cut EQ wise in the vocals, - of course different formats will give different results due to my playback and recording gear.
    If you want samples of both I'll Dropbox em
     
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  3. Y9771

    Y9771 Well-Known Member

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    While I don't have that one, I have the first European issue, CDCBS______ (CSR Japanese pressing) and it doesn't have PE.

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    Regarding selling CDs, I, in contrary to what has been posted above, found it easy to sell valuable/rare/in-demand CDs, as long as you price them right (right pricing = to offer lower price for specific item in specific condition than anyone else). Of course, if you expect to get more for them than what is current bottom price offered by other sellers, then you might be in for a long wait, in case you decide to sell something.

    When I sell something I sometimes make copy of that, who cares if it's legal or not. As long as you don't sell these copies or upload somewhere for cops to see, no one will ever know. And I don't feel bad for that, after all, if everyone bought as much music as I do, music industry would flourish. It's the people who always torrent everything instead of buying that should feel bad.

    OK, would be interesting to compare. First song of CD would be enough to see if there's audible difference between what I have.
     
  4. c-eling

    c-eling Forum Resident

  5. Downsampled

    Downsampled Formerly PlusMinus

    I respectfully suggest the discussion about whether it is legal/ethical to keep ripped music after selling a CD be taken to another thread. It is off-topic here.
     
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  6. Steve Martin

    Steve Martin Wild & Crazy Guy

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    Don't really think it got off topic. It was asked why people keep discs that they have ripped. A sense of legal/moral obligation is a legitimate reason so people were mostly just answering that.

    I agree that any debate as to whether or not it is legal/moral does not belong here, but most of the "mentions" of it have been fine in my opinion as people are just stating their practices and justification, not arguing about it.
     
  7. JPagan

    JPagan Forum Resident

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    Per member Steve Martin's post here:
    Pre emphasis list?
    and my own confirmation–this entry should read "tracks 6-9 only".
     
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  8. c-eling

    c-eling Forum Resident

    Thanks, next update i'll correct it. :)
     
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  9. Y9771

    Y9771 Well-Known Member

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    new addition, as I expected

    Reimy - "R" (2nd album) 1984.09 Denon 35C31-7250 matrix C-31-7250 1A6-51 (Jan. 1985 repressing)
    flagged in subcode only

    so, all three of her Denon/Nippon Columbia albums have PE, though fourth one, which I don't own yet, was on a different label, from 1986, and pressed by Victor, so odds are very high it doesn't have PE, everything after that probably too
     
  10. Y9771

    Y9771 Well-Known Member

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    I just checked, and they sound the same.

    Also, just listened and compared pressed CD as it is against burned CD-R with flags again. While the CD-R doesn't have 'sharp' highs, it is perfectly listenable, while the pressed without flags has those ear-hurting highs. At usual higher volume it's almost unlistenable. I have no clue how it was intended to sound, but cassette-like sound of CD-R with PE flags is more acceptable than that of pressed CD, which sounds like treble knob was turned all the way up on usual well-mastered CD. I don't know how old are you, fellow listeners/collectors (I've read that human ability to hear highs decreases with age), but try playing this CD from the first song to your kids (or someone elses) and ask them if it sounds OK.

    My guess on what happened with this album would be that they had a tape copy of master to make CDs from, which was originally digital with PE, and flags were lost at some point.

    I can get it to sound perfect when listening to burned CD-R with flags, and slightly turning up the treble knob (around 2 o'clock angle)
     
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  11. hotsoup

    hotsoup Forum Resident

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    I have an Austrian DADC Diamond Life and I don't believe it has PE. I have an old US DADC of Promise and I don't have that marked as having PE either, but I could double check either of these if anyone's curious.
     
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  12. Y9771

    Y9771 Well-Known Member

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    a new entry:
    Yuming (Yumi Matsutoya) - Pearl Pierce 1982 CA35-1001 (released 1982.11.1, this is the very first pressing)
    matrix CA35-1001-2 1A1 /crude font/, hub stamp: MANUFACTURED BY CBS/SONY RECORDS INC.
    flagged in subcode only

    CA32 issue of this title probably has same mastering too
     
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  13. sa5150

    sa5150 Well-Known Member

    hmm, I had no idea about this one Survivor - Eye of the Tiger , do other version have it too , like the bellaphon and the early japan for europe ?
     
  14. hotsoup

    hotsoup Forum Resident

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    It's possible. I had an early US version that sounded very bright, but unfortunately I wasn't checking PE very thoroughly in those days. I don't have it anymore either..

    I can say though, that the Japan (Sanyo) for Europe Bellaphon Vital Signs does not have PE like the early Japan (Canyon) disc. That might be a clue. Never know until you check though.
     
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  15. Diablo Griffin

    Diablo Griffin Synthpop and Rock Enthusiast

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    My US Diamond Life CD sounds like it has PE, though the flags probably weren't set up correctly as EAC says it's not there. After applying some de-emph EQ through Audacity, the album sounds smoother and more natural. Should we add this one to the list? The old US Promise doesn't have PE, though I can't say whether or not the Japanese version does.

    The stock US version of Bonnie Tyler's Faster Than the Speed of Night also sounds like it has PE.
     
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  16. c-eling

    c-eling Forum Resident

    We need to verify a Japan first for Diamond Life. I don't think guesses should be added to the list.
    It's possible the 1984 may carry it but the 1985 mastering does not have it.
    I've got a Swiss For US silver {Shar-Day} Diamond Life, 1985. Which matches the 85 US Portrait (the one submitted on the DR site). Nice sounding disc. No issues with her vocals.
    I just scanned the Q - no tag present.
     
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  17. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    It sounds like what happened with the Japan 1st 33PD of Master Of Reality/Volume 4 and the Canadian Streetheart S/T albums where pre-emphasis was missed being added in the mastering.
     
  18. sa5150

    sa5150 Well-Known Member

    I don't have Bellaphon Vital Signs but I might be getting the Intercord Germany one . I wonder if it has PE ? (I guess I hope not ) All ready had the Original Japan and it was played in all kinds of cd players not PC and it never sounded good .
     
  19. SOONERFAN

    SOONERFAN Forum Resident

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    How does one come to a definitive answer on the pre-emphasis question when EAC does not detect it?
     
  20. Steve Martin

    Steve Martin Wild & Crazy Guy

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    If one of the apps known to detect all forms (TOC or SUBCODE) does not detect it, then the CD does not have pre-emphasis flagged and should not be on THIS list. To prove a definitive error you would have to match EAC levels to a release that does have pre-emphasis flags.

    There should be a separate thread for releases that are suspected to have missing flags, or that people think sound better with deemphasis applied, but I vote for keeping this list to those with actual flags.
     
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  21. jfeldt

    jfeldt Forum Resident

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    I agree, needs to have actual flags to be in this list.

    One can also use a CD player with a pre-emphasis light or a meridian 518 or similar with a transport that reports via SPDIF or an old enough version of EAC with a drive that reports the flags.
     
  22. Steve Martin

    Steve Martin Wild & Crazy Guy

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    Or the current version of XLD with "don't detect pregap,... " unchecked. Which will add detected PRE flags to the CUE files it saves.
     
  23. PTgraphics

    PTgraphics Forum Resident

    Can you de-emphasis tracks that are already ripped to apple lossless or do you have to rip to aiff (I'm on a Mac) with XLD and them de-emphasis them in xACT then convert to apple lossless? Some of my old Survivor CD's I think have pre-emphasis and since I still have them I can re-rip if needed.
     
  24. Steve Martin

    Steve Martin Wild & Crazy Guy

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    You can convert from Apple Lossless back to AIFF with xACT, then deemphasize and convert back to Apple Lossless. Don't need to re-rip.
     
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  25. WiWavelength

    WiWavelength Well-Known Member

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    Diamond Life [CDEPC 26044; CBS-SONY Japan for Europe]

    Sade (Shar-Day) "Diamond Life" Cd 1985 Portrait/CBS Is this the one to get?

    To those (not you, c-eling) who presume pre-emphasis where there is none, do you see any FLAGS PRE?

    Code:
    EM DISCID 6E0A8709
    PERFORMER "Sade"
    TITLE "Diamond Life"
    CATALOG 5099702604420
    REM DATE 1984
    REM DISCNUMBER 1
    REM TOTALDISCS 1
    REM COMMENT "CUERipper v2.1.5 Copyright (C) 2008-13 Grigory Chudov"
    FILE "01. Smooth Operator.flac" WAVE
      TRACK 01 AUDIO
        PERFORMER "Sade"
        TITLE "Smooth Operator"
        INDEX 01 00:00:00
    FILE "02. Your Love Is King.flac" WAVE
      TRACK 02 AUDIO
        PERFORMER "Sade"
        TITLE "Your Love Is King"
        INDEX 01 00:00:00
    FILE "03. Hang on to Your Love.flac" WAVE
      TRACK 03 AUDIO
        PERFORMER "Sade"
        TITLE "Hang on to Your Love"
        INDEX 01 00:00:00
    FILE "04. Frankie's First Affair.flac" WAVE
      TRACK 04 AUDIO
        PERFORMER "Sade"
        TITLE "Frankie's First Affair"
        INDEX 01 00:00:00
    FILE "05. When Am I Going to Make a Living.flac" WAVE
      TRACK 05 AUDIO
        PERFORMER "Sade"
        TITLE "When Am I Going to Make a Living"
        INDEX 01 00:00:00
    FILE "06. Cherry Pie.flac" WAVE
      TRACK 06 AUDIO
        PERFORMER "Sade"
        TITLE "Cherry Pie"
        INDEX 01 00:00:00
    FILE "07. Sally.flac" WAVE
      TRACK 07 AUDIO
        PERFORMER "Sade"
        TITLE "Sally"
        INDEX 01 00:00:00
    FILE "08. I Will Be Your Friend.flac" WAVE
      TRACK 08 AUDIO
        PERFORMER "Sade"
        TITLE "I Will Be Your Friend"
        INDEX 01 00:00:00
    FILE "09. Why Can't We Live Together.flac" WAVE
      TRACK 09 AUDIO
        PERFORMER "Sade"
        TITLE "Why Can't We Live Together"
        INDEX 01 00:00:00
    No.

    AJ
     
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