Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by nrs7nrs7, Feb 13, 2008.
Has anyone had experience with the Debut lll?
I like mine! I bought it on closeout from Musicians Friend. The first one I received had this slight hum (like a grounding issue) that just wouldn't go away. The replacement worked fine out of the box.
After years of owning entry level Technics direct-drive models, which don't get me wrong they served me VERY well, the Pro-Ject is a big upgrade. The fact that this is only Pro-Jects entry level table seems like a steal to me.
i own and like one. i pretty much listen casually through a pretty simple system that i'm cool with although i wish i had a different receiver.
i've got a couple new 1200's as well paired with some powerered mackie srm 450's in a dj setup that i don't use near as much as i'd like to.
i'm quite happy with the debut III.
I've been using Debut III for just over a month and have been happy with the performance thus far. The Sumiko Oyster cartridge that came with it tracks very well and is a good match with the table. Certainly a good value for the money.
Mine has always had a hum hovering around 150 Hz. It's not loud enough to be annoying during casual playback (in fact it's barely noticeable unless I crank the volume way up on the lead-ins and lead-outs), but it's still there, and I have to run a parametric EQ whenever I do needledrops to attenuate it. I've been told that there's nothing to be done about it since the table isn't exactly a silent runner.
Still, the table has yet to fail me or cause any other problems. Definitely a solid, no frills entry-level table. If they're still packing them with the pre-installed Ortofon OM5E cart, you'd might as well buy an AT440MLa or something comparable when you buy the table. That Ortofon is nothing but trouble. There's nothing worse than itching to turn over a record because your cartridge can't handle the inner grooves.
Good luck and welcome aboard, nrs7nrs7!
I'm quite fond of my Pro-Ject Debut III turntable. No tracking problems with my Ortofon cart.
Do any of you Pro-Ject owners have experience with the optional speed box that allows for 78 rpm (not sure which one it is)?
This setup seems like an affordable, quality table for dedicated mono/78 playing.
I've heard that improves the speed stability of the ProJects but to me, speed stability was never an issue with my ProJect table.
The speed box also allow easy playing of 45's which may be appreciated if like me your grip ain't good and moving belts is a pain.
Do you prefer the (Technics?) 1200 or the Debut III?
Sorry, but I was asking if anyone had experience using the speed box to play 78s with their Pro-Ject.
i prefer the technics 1200 mk2. the tables are within six months of each other in age and i have actually used the pro-ject more, but if i had to pick either/or, i'd take the technics every single time.
i've had no experience with the speedbox on my pro-ject deck.
I picked up a Pro-Ject Debut III in red last month. My first trip into the land of vinyl since I was a kid. I think it sounds great, a lot better than the digital setups I have. I did replace the cartridge with a Grado Red. I haven't had any hum problems that I've noticed, but my receiver is silghtly noisy to begin with. (Not audible to me at listening volumes, but with nothing playing if you get near the speakers you can hear static)
I bought the table to play the 78's I inherited long ago; I liked the idea of having a table capable of playing LPs, as well as the 78's.
I didn't get the speed box, though - I bought the Pro-ject 78/33 pulley to replace the standard 45/33 pulley, as well as the Ortofon 78 stylus. Works pretty well, although I haven't gotten around to listening to it much.
I'm not familiar with the 78/33 pulley. Is that an aftermarket device or an option when ordering? And does that mean the 'table doesn't play 45s anymore or does it play 78s in addition to 45/33?
The pulley is a Pro-ject part, but it is ordered separately. I removed the 45/33 pulley that's supplied with the table (attached with a setscrew to the motor shaft) and attached the 78/33 pulley.
If I wanted to play 45's, I'd have to re-install the 45/33 pulley. I don't play 45's much, and I've got an old table to play them on when I do, so it's ok with me.
Don't you have to switch out the cartridge to play 78's?
I bought a Debut III in September 2006 and was generally happy with it. I also had a hum problem as mentioned above. It was not electrical but rather a sort of mechanical resonance.
In June 2007, my dealer allowed me to trade-up to a Project Xpression II, giving me only $50 less for the Debut than what I'd paid for it! I upgraded simply to have more upgradeability (for example, you can't really use a moving coil cartridge on a Debut because of its metal platter, you can't use your own cable because the Debut one is hard-wired, it has no VTA adjustment, etc.).
I wasn't expecting much of a change in the sound, especially since I was transferring the Ortofon Super OM20 cartridge I'd had installed on the Debut to the Xpression. However, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the Xpression sounded much more refined and lush. Eventually I plan to upgrade my cartridge to a Dynavector 10x5 moving coil, as I've heard from the dealer and others that it's a tremendous match for the Xpression.
I HIGHLY recommend that if you can at all afford it, buy an Project Xpression II or III instead. It's really worth the extra dollars. People gave me the following advice when I bought my Debut and I ignored them thinking the difference would be subtle. It's NOT! One recent discovery I mentioned in another thread is that when I replaced the standard interconnect Project supplied with the Xpression the high frequency balance and sound opened up considerably. With a Debut, you either have to custom wire it yourself (voiding any warranty) or put up with the supplied cable that's hard-wired to the turntable (the Xpression has jacks on the back so you can use whatever cable you want).
I've come to the conclusion that the Project Debut is a plug-and-play turntable that you either keep because you only want to casually spin some vinyl, or else trade in if you're serious about good sound. The Xpression is a step up from this. Unless you're really serious, it could be enough to keep you satisfied for years.
The Ortofon 78 stylus (purchased separately) fits on the Ortofon 5e cart supplied with the Debut.
I'm no kind of expert in optimum 78 tables, styli or carts; this just seemed like the most affordable way to be able to play 78's with a new table, with a decent tonearm and ability to play other speeds.
That was very good of the dealer to that for you. Sounds like he takes care of his clients. I took the advice of my dealer and went straight to the XpressionII ($100 off as the XpressionIII was coming out) and I haven't looked back. Its a very solid turntable and I love that comes supplied with 3 adjustable cones for feet to make levelling the turntable a task of simplicity.
Yes, I'm really happy with my dealer (Codell Audio in Montreal for any local folks looking for a good audio dealer).
The adjustable cone feet are very nice, yes.
Great idea, and the Ortofon makes it pretty easy.
I just paired my debut with one of those $100 sherwood models from radioshack (My basement is in repair, so I took my classic 3s and debut to my gfs house and got the sherwood..I'll end up using it at work once I can move stuff back in) And you can really hear the hum from the grado I have. Actually you can hear hum without anything plugged in, but I'm not sure if that's caused by the amp or the turntable.
So yeah, I'd suggest saving the money and upgrading..plus being able to adjust VTA is nice, as I can't on mine and it's been a little bit of a problem getthing things setup correctly.
If your turntable isn't plugged into the amp, but you can still hear hum when you turn up the amp's volume...well, I think you know where this is going.
I owned a Debut III with stock Ortofon cartridge and loved it. After 18 months and about 400 hours of play I sold it for $75 less than what I paid for it, and bought a brand new Xpression III. I added an AT440MLa cartridge and a speed box, and this baby is rock solid steady and pretty as a picture. The acrylic platter and gloss grey piano plinth is what lured me in, but it is the sound quality that really impresses me. I love Pro-ject turntables.
I must say, my hum problem on my Debut III was easily solved- it was the power lead on my phono preamp making contact with the metal casing. A sliver of electrical tape solved the problem instantly. I recommend any Debut III owners with a hum problem to check to see if this might not solve their problem.
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