Rolling Stones in Mono - 2016 - Content Discussion Only (Mixes, Tracks, etc.)*

No, lighter, more of a yellow/gold from memory, and the silver text stood out more. 1966 pressing I presumed at the time. Of course, one man's gold is another one's orange. Different deadwax though.

 

A side question regarding the Chess tracks and mono fold-downs: Is everyone talking about recent issues using mono folds?

I ask because the old '60s "stereo" London LPs I have owned all had the Chess tracks in fake stereo, not true stereo (In fact, finding these stereo mixes on vintage LPs has been a project I've meant to do for awhile). The vintage mono LPs sure don't sound like fold downs of fake stereo.

 

The Chess tracks were mixed to stereo, then folded down to mono. Those mono fold-downs were then processed to fake stereo in the US.

Info on the various stereo releases here, although not complete:

The Rolling Stones In Stereo »

 

For folks without turntables or SACD players, this "box" represents

1) 50+ tracks which have never been officially available digitally in Mono (or Mono* if you prefer), and
2) an opportunity (details pending) to get Stones in DSD source, downloaded without DRM encumbrance.

 

I have the SACDs from, I think 2002; will this make any difference in sound ?

Thoughts ?

 

These are new remasters, performed by (rather than "supervised by", as was the case in 2002) Bob Ludwig.

The big "news" really is that there are 50+ mono versions new to people without victrolas.

 

Ludwig did the mastering in 2002 as well.

A bit under 50, and many of those are fold-downs.

 

I have the version with the orange label

 

Contemporaneous press release back in 2002 used the language "supervised by Bob Ludwig". Now, maybe they no longer split legal hairs so finely these days, or maybe he's doing what he's always done and supervision is the same as doing in the music biz. IDK.

He did tell analog planet that this was new work.

 

Me too. Mid 1970s I think.

 

The press release had the same credits the SACDs did:

Restoration Producer: Jody H. Klein
Sound Restoration and Archive Coordinator: Steve Rosenthal/the Magic Shop
Analog to Digital Transfers and Tape Archive Research: Teri Landi
Mastering: Bob Ludwig/Gateway Mastering
DSD Engineer: Gus Skinas
Additional Tape Archive Research: Jane Byrne and Mick McKenna
Additional Analog To Digital Transfer: Jon Astley and Pascal Byrne
Production Assistants: Maria Papazahariou and Laura Walton

Repackage Art Direction: Iris W. Keitel and Alisa Coleman-Ritz
Repackage Design: Zane Peterson/AGI
Art Production Assistants: Nicole Monea and Patricia Sheppard

Conception: Lenne Allik

THE ROLLING STONES REMASTERED SERIES »

 

Michael Fremer updated his post on Analog Planet:

Lacquer cutting was at Abbey Road Studios, with both Alex Wharton and Sean Magee doing the honors, all cut using DSD files. In an email Magee told me he cut "as flat as possible", adding "I love this job". Bob Ludwig added in his email "What a great way to spend a spring, a real tribute to Glyn Johns!

I don't remember the Sean Magee quote from yesterday

 

Thanks!

That's a somewhat comical situation but I'm not totally surprised that happened. I sometimes suspect someone at London just liked fake stereo a lot considering some of their mid '60s releases of UK material.

 

I wish I knew the exact workflow between Andrew Oldham, Decca, and London, but regardless, it seems that the stereo mixes were made, copied to mono for LPs, then filed away. Initial UK issues were only mono, while in the US stereo issues were fake stereo, except Look What You've Done; somehow London got the true stereo master for that.

In the late '60s or early '70s, the true stereo tapes were pulled out and later UK and international issues started to use those.

 

Wonder if the book will be hardback in the vinyl box ? Doesn't sound like from what I read.

 

Tom, Thanks for the update. This is good news, now we should all hope for a decent pressing.

 

Aural Satisfaction, At Last: ABKCO Rolling Out The Rolling Stones Remastered Series »

Final mastering for all albums was completed under the direction of the
legendary Bob Ludwig who commented [...],​

You say tomato, I say tomato.

 

I have the ABKCO 2010 box, which I think is pretty good. Having read up as much as I can find, it isn't clear to me whether there will be a significant difference with this 2016 set.

Obviously the majority of the 2010 box is stereo. But the early LPs are mono, and many of the tracks on BigHits are in true mono. Do we yet know if the mastering/sound on the new box will differ from the 2010 box?

Apologies if I've missed the answer somewhere.

 

To hype anyone up for the mono UK Aftermath...



This mix just sounds "right" to my ears.

 

To me Under My Thumb is a key track needed in mono. Not available in the 2002 reissues.

 

The Rolling Stones in Mono / 16LP vinyl and 15CD box sets due in September | superdeluxeedition »



CD and vinyl boxes for the mono studio recordings
ABKCO Records will next month release The Rolling Stones in Mono, a 15CD and 16LP box set of all mono studio recordings released by The Rolling Stones.

This collection brings together 14 studio albums plus Stray Cats, a newly compiled collection of songs from singles and EPs issued in the 1960s. In total, The Rolling Stones in Mono delivers 186 tracks, 56 of which, it is claimed, “have never before been heard in mono since the advent of the digital age.”



The Rolling Stones in Mono 15CD box set
The Rolling Stones in Mono spans the era between 1963 and 1969 when most rock and pop recordings were originally mixed to mono, and as we know with The Beatles, stereo was often an afterthought, often completed far more quickly than its mono counterpart. This doesn’t mean mono is always ‘better’ than the stereo versions, but it can regularly be the case, with mono often more ‘powerful’ than a hastily mixed, and sometimes dubiously panned, stereo version.

These new sets start from the band’s 1964 debut and run through to 1969’s Let It Bleed and include the US and UK versions of both Out of Our Heads and Aftermath. The Stray Cats compilation (think The Beatles’ Mono Masters) is a double vinyl LP and a single CD, which accounts for the vinyl set being one disc more.

The Rolling Stones in Mono 16LP box set
The Rolling Stones in Mono was mastered by engineer Bob Ludwig. For the project he utilised Direct Stream Digital (DSD) transfers from the original master recordings, with a sampling rate of 2,822,400. Lacquer cutting for vinyl was performed at Abbey Road Studios by Alex Wharton and Sean Magee.

All vinyl box sets will be numbered and pressed on 180-gram vinyl. The CD box also boasts high quality ‘mini-LP CD’ vinyl replica packages, much like the Beatles mono CD box.

The Rolling Stones in Mono will be released on 30 September 2016.



In The Rolling Stones In Mono box

• 1) The Rolling Stones (UK, 1964)
• 2) 12 X 5 (1964)
• 3) The Rolling Stones No. 2 (UK, 1965)
• 4) The Rolling Stones Now! (1965)
• 5) Out of Our Heads (US, 1965)
• 6) Out of Our Heads (UK, 1965)
• 7) December’s Children (And Everybody’s) (1965)
• 8) Aftermath (UK, 1966)
• 9) Aftermath (US, 1966)
• 10) Between the Buttons (UK, 1967)
• 11) Flowers (1967)
• 12) Their Satanic Majesties Request (1967)
• 13) Beggar’s Banquet (1968)
• 14) Let it Bleed (1969)
• 15) Stray Cats (a new collection of single A & B sides plus E.P. tracks)

The Rolling Stones (UK)
1.Route 66
2.I Just Want To Make Love To You
3.Honest I Do
4.Mona (I Need You Baby)
5.Now I’ve Got A Witness
6.Little By Little
7.I’m A King Bee
8.Carol
9.Tell Me
10.Can I Get A Witness
11.You Can Make It If You Try
12.Walking The Dog

12 x 5
1.Around And Around
2.Confessin’ The Blues
3.Empty Heart
4.Time Is On My Side
5.Good Times, Bad Times
6.It’s All Over Now
7.2120 South Michigan Avenue
8.Under The Boardwalk
9.Congratulations
10.Grown Up Wrong
11.If You Need Me
12.Susie Q

The Rolling Stones No. 2
1.Everybody Needs Somebody To Love
2.Down Home Girl
3.You Can’t Catch Me
4.Time Is On My Side
5.What A Shame
6.Grown Up Wrong
7.Down The Road Apiece
8.Under The Boardwalk
9.I Can’t Be Satisfied
10.Pain In My Heart
11.Off The Hook
12.Susie Q

The Rolling Stones, Now!
1.Everybody Needs Somebody To Love
2.Down Home Girl
3.You Can’t Catch Me
4.Heart Of Stone
5.What A Shame
6.Mona (I Need You Baby)
7.Down The Road Apiece
8.Off The Hook
9.Pain In My Heart
10.Oh, Baby (We Got A Good Thing Goin’)
11.Little Red Rooster
12.Surprise, Surprise

Out Of Our Heads (US)
1.Mercy Mercy
2.Hitch Hike
3.The Last Time
4.That’s How Strong My Love Is
5.Good Times
6.I’m All Right
7.(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction
8.Cry To Me
9.The Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man
10.Play With Fire
11.The Spider And The Fly
12.One More Try

Out Of Our Heads (UK)
1.She Said Yeah
2.Mercy Mercy
3.Hitch Hike
4.That’s How Strong My Love Is
5.Good Times
6.Gotta Get Away
7.Talkin’ ‘Bout You
8.Cry To Me
9.Oh, Baby (We Got A Good Thing Goin’)
10.Heart Of Stone
11.The Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man
12.I’m Free

December’s Children (And Everybody’s)
1.She Said Yeah
2.Talkin’ Bout You
3.You Better Move On
4.Look What You’ve Done
5.The Singer Not The Song
6.Route 66
7.Get Off Of My Cloud
8.I’m Free
9.As Tears Go By
10.Gotta Get Away
11.Blue Turns To Grey
12.I’m Moving On

Aftermath (UK)
1.Mother’s Little Helper
2.Stupid Girl
3.Lady Jane
4.Under My Thumb
5.Doncha Bother Me
6.Going Home
7.Flight 505
8.High And Dry
9.Out Of Time
10.It’s Not Easy
11.I Am Waiting
12.Take It Or Leave It
13.Think
14.What To Do

Aftermath (US)
1. Paint It, Black
2. Stupid Girl
3.Lady Jane
4.Under My Thumb
5.Doncha Bother Me
6.Think
7.Flight 505
8.High And Dry
9.It’s Not Easy
10.I Am Waiting
11.Going Home

Between The Buttons (UK)
1.Yesterday’s Papers
2.My Obsession
3.Back Street Girl
4.Connection
5.She Smiled Sweetly
6.Cool, Calm & Collected
7.All Sold Out
8.Please Go Home
9.Who’ s Been Sleeping Here?
10.Complicated
11.Miss Amanda Jones
12.Something Happened To Me Yesterday

Flowers
1.Ruby Tuesday
2.Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing In The Shadow?
3.Let’s Spend The Night Together
4.Lady Jane
5.Out Of Time
6.My Girl
7.Back Street Girl
8.Please Go Home
9.Mother’s Little Helper
10.Take It Or Leave It
11.Ride On, Baby
12.Sittin’ On A Fence

Their Satanic Majesties Request
1.Sing This All Together
2.Citadel
3.In Another Land
4.2000 Man
5.Sing This All Together (See What Happens)
6.She’s A Rainbow
7.The Lantern
8.Gomper
9.2000 Light Years From Home
10.On With The Show

Beggars Banquet
1.Sympathy For The Devil
2.No Expectations
3.Dear Doctor
4.Parachute Woman
5.Jig-saw Puzzle
6.Street Fighting Man
7.Prodigal Son
8.Stray Cat Blues
9.Factory Girl
10.Salt Of The Earth

Let It Bleed
1.Gimme Shelter
2.Love In Vain
3.Country Honk
4.Live With Me
5.Let It Bleed
6.Midnight Rambler
7.You Got The Silver
8.Monkey Man
9.You Can’t Always Get What You Want

Stray Cats (new compilation)
1.Come On
2.I Want To Be Loved
3.I Wanna Be Your Man
4.Stoned
5.Fortune Teller
6.Poison Ivy (Version 1)
7.Bye Bye Johnny
8.Money
9.Poison Ivy (Verison 2)
10.Not Fade Away
11.I’ve Been Loving You Too Long
12.The Under Assistant West Coast Promo Man (Single)
13.19th Nervous Breakdown
14.Sad Day
15.Con Le Mie Lacrime (As Tears Go By)
16.Long, Long While
17.Who’s Driving Your Plane?
18.We Love You (Single Version)
19.Dandelion
20.Child Of The Moon
21.Jumpin’ Jack Flash
22.Street Fighting Man (Single)
23.Honky Tonk Women
24.You Can’t Always Get What You Want (Single)

 

Ill ask again, since the othet thread was shut down.

So, I missed out on the 64-69 lp boxset.

Would this mono set take its place nicely?

Sure is purty, Ill say that much. Like the white and pic better than the goofy tongue on the 64-69 box. Much classier.

 

What on Stray Cats hasn't been previously released on Hot Rocks and the singles box? Cause it doesn't look like much new there - I may opt in to the individual albums I want later also. Satanic, Aftermath UK, Between the Buttons.

 

If you are talking about CD's, I would say yes. If you mean the vinyl, we will have to wait and see what the pressing quality is.

 

I just mean the content in decent mastering in general. I realize that some of the 64-69 was in stereo and that those albums would be foldies in the mono set. But is that about the only difference? Oh and the greatest hits from the other box set also I guess.