Ronnie James Dio in Black Sabbath

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Siegmund, Aug 1, 2017.

  1. walrus

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    I've said this in VH threads, but I really do think DLR's Van Halen had creatively run its course after 1984. Eddie was definitely moving in a more melodic direction, away from the straight riff-based structure of the earlier VH records, and I don't think Dave would've been up to the task vocally. Other factors caused the split, but musically I think it was inevitable, no matter how much people wish they could've just gone on making 1984 or Fair Warning clones forever.

    Eat Em & Smile and 5150 are both amazing records, but the follow-ups by both were pretty underwhelming. (Although Van Hagar got back on track with their later albums, IMO)
     
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  2. johnny q

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    Absolutely. I would also add Heaven And Hell's The Devil You Know.
     
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  3. Holy Diver

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    I agree, except I do like Skyscraper for Steve Vai's guitar playing.
     
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  4. ModernDayWarrior

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    I think Dehumanizer is a solid album. I like the way Dio got away from the fantasy lyrics and delved into more modern topics. It was the right kind of album they could have done for the time.
     
  5. Tim1954

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    I agree. And I believe that Dio and Geezer worked on "Computer God" together. I seem to remember that was a concept Geezer was working on.

    If you read those lyrics and consider that they are from 1992, and then consider where things are today with Artificial Intelligence and such, it's kind of mind blowing.
     
  6. Trillmeister

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    Involuntary coffee/keyboard interface scenario.

    Although I do empathise with Curvey since it's a little bit of a smelter, whatever Sabbatic bandwaggonista may suggest.
     
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  7. pool_of_tears

    pool_of_tears Music Appreciator

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    Well said! The tour came through my town, and the band played a 2,400 seat theater...sold out! Gawd, that show was loud...but clear and not a bad seat in the house. Yeah, I was there :)
     
  8. zen

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    Agreed.
     
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  9. Pampered Menial

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    Fantastically well-rated by anyone who has a clue. I am an equal opportunity Sabboteur (that is to say, I appreciate some aspect of every era and incarnation of the band), but the Dio era is one of my favorites. Dehumanizer is a really under-represented album in their discography. It has all of the riffing prowess of Iommi coupled with the aggression/heaviness of post-Sabbath Dio (He never got really heavy until Holy Diver, which is, for me, one of his greatest musical achievements).
     
  10. Clanceman

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    My all time favorite YouTube vid
     
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  11. Clanceman

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    Dio, Martin, Gillan, etc, etc....all great. The 4 (counting H&H) w Dio were killer.

    But you are.....dead nuts on!
     
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  12. gpalz

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    Just before or during the Heaven and Hell tour, I remember Eddie Trunk on the radio saying Iommi should play the Ozzy era material too, since fans may never hear Warpigs etc again. I think after 40 years of playing Warpigs etc, touring just the Mk II material was a welcomed departure for Iommi and just as deserving. To this Ozzy era Sabbath fan, I'm glad it happened.
     
  13. ModernDayWarrior

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    I agree. I think the whole band was happy to actually be free of the Sabbath name and just concentrate on the Dio material. It was probably such a breath of fresh air for them at the time and I certainly didn't miss hearing any Ozzy era material. I don't understand why Eddie would say that, I certainly disagreed with him.
     
  14. Hokeyboy

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    Call it what you will, but the Dio/Sabbath/Heaven & Hell albums comprise a string of excellence in metal. The production on Dehumanizer is a little too dry but the songs are fantastic.

    My biggest regret is not seeing Heaven & Hell in Sunrise, FL in 2007. I lived 5 minutes from the arena. I could have just gone down the street, bought a ticket, and gone in. But we had just moved to Sunrise and I was "tired" that night so I figured I'd catch them the next time around...

    :(
     
  15. John Bliss

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    It's really odd, since Ozzy himself has compared their sound on that album, TE (era) to Queen (meant in a bad way)!
     
  16. John Bliss

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    Yeah that's about right, but maybe I'm a little kinder, but more in a way of, like, 'At least it isn't as bad as Bruce Dickinson singing Di'Anno era Maiden the last 20 years or so'. Dude puts zero effort in now. Wasn't always like that. In any case, Dio at least gave it effort.
     
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  17. dkmonroe

    dkmonroe A completely self-taught idiot

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    Randy Rhoads was a legend BEFORE he died. I was there.
     
  18. dmiller458

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    Reading is fundamental.
     
  19. dkmonroe

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    Selective editing is fundamental. Taken together, the two sentences of your post are essentially a non-sequitur, but that's your problem, not mine.
     
  20. Timeaisis

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    He's no Ozzy. Don't get me wrong, I love Heaven and Hell...and Mob Rules is ok. But they don't stand up to their first four albums in any way. Of course, they beat out the later Ozzy ones (besting Technical Ecstasy is not that hard to do). Sabbath was kind of lost in their sound at that point, anyway. Dio definitely gave them something fresh when he joined. But they did sound different.

    I definitely prefer Ozzy's solo work to Dio Sabbath.
     
  21. dmiller458

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    Did I say that the only way to become a legend is to die or did I say it was the quickest way? Once again, reading is fundamental. When he was alive, he was one of many guitar gods. By dying young, he's frozen in time.

    If he were still alive, he'd be in his early 60s. No one knows how many masterpieces he could have recorded during the last 30+ years. And no one knows how many clunkers he might have released...
     
  22. dkmonroe

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    Meh. I think you just can't try to make a point without attempting to tread on someone's toes, so you had to follow "Randy was a guitar god" with "everybody thinks he's a legend because he's dead." And anyway, you're hardly the first person to trace the death-to-legend trajectory, it's actually quite cliche.

    And the, "we don't know, maybe he'd have done a buncha clunkers if he'd have lived" is actually a worthless observation as it rests on pure speculation. A person's legacy is their legacy, hypotheticals neither add nor subtract from it.
     
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  23. dmiller458

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    Except that it's not what I said. There are other ways to become a legend, but the quickest way is to die. I'm not saying that everyone thinks he's a legend because of his early death. I'm saying that he is a legend because of his early death.

    It's not pure speculation. I'm not saying that he might have recorded a bunch of clunkers. I'm saying that he would have recorded at least one.

    Rhoads' legacy is based on two things: his recordings and his early death.
     
  24. dkmonroe

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    Whatever. Your observations are trite and uninteresting.

    It is speculation that his having recorded one or even more clunkers would have any effect on his legacy. Everybody records some clunkers in somebody's opinion, it doesn't mean that their legacy is negatively impacted.
     
  25. dmiller458

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    Then why do you keep replying?
     

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