Rush - new 2015 vinyl and hi-res reissues thread. (Part 2)

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Ken_McAlinden, Apr 27, 2015.

  1. Brian9229

    Brian9229 Rushman

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    I do have the CD/DVD with the 5.1 of MP as well, and definitely agree. I do like the hi-res stereo mix very much though.
     
  2. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    Just a precision for those who don't know, none of the classic Rush albums have been remixed in stereo for these reissues, they have only been remixed in 5.1. The stereo mixes are the original mixes.
     
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  3. 32XD Japan1

    32XD Japan1 Forum Resident

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    Is Steve Wilson really doing their catalog in hi-rez format with flat transfers like the Yes material?
     
  4. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    What? No.
    Where did you read that?
     
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  5. ModernDayWarrior

    ModernDayWarrior Forum Resident

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    I wish.
     
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  6. No. However, he is finished with remixing the Yes catalog because multitracks can't be found for the rest of the core albums. I guess that depends on what "core" means.
     
  7. JediJoker

    JediJoker Audio Engineer/Enthusiast

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    I'm still holding out hope for Going For The One and Drama, the latter of which Wilson has expressed specific interest in doing, but apparently was vetoed by a particularly nasty Geoff Downes. What a tosser.
     
  8. Russell Weston

    Russell Weston Forum Resident

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    Signals sound like dry crap. Everything that was good about Signals in the first place is gone in 5.1. The lush synths are pushed back, guitars are more forward, and alternate (inferior) vocal takes were used in some parts. It's just not very good.
     
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  9. Brian9229

    Brian9229 Rushman

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    What?!?! You can't be serious?! When mastering an album, I've never heard of the engineer actually using different takes. I would think that would be done by producer, or the band during the mixing stage, or even before. If that's true, that's seriously messed up. That's just Revisionism I would say. And no mastering engineer I've heard of would be entitled to do such a change. Hmmm. That's really a troubling thought lol.
     
  10. ad180

    ad180 Forum Resident

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    We don't know why those takes were used, so there could be a reasonable explanation.
     
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  11. Brian9229

    Brian9229 Rushman

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    Well, short of the original tape with the original take being ruined, or Rush deciding to re-do parts of, or all of Signals, I can't think of a single explanation that could justify a move like that. But, who knows? Stranger things have certainly happened. Imo, it's almost more the line of thought leading to a decision like that than the actual act itself. (Egregious as it is, if true)
     
  12. ad180

    ad180 Forum Resident

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    Considering that this is a modern surround mix of a 35 year old album, chances are pretty good that the original take was lost or damaged. It's not the first time something like this has happened with surround mixes... tapes go missing, unfortunately.
     
  13. Russell Weston

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    It was completely remixed in 5.1 from the ground up. Not just remastered. Rich Chycki did the remixes for sectors and just thought it would be fun to use different takes. The 2112 remix is great; it sounds faithful yet expanded. Signals sounds incredibly dry, particularly with vocals.
     
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  14. Sixpence

    Sixpence Zeppelin Fan

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    Limelight sounds very different on the DVD verses the CD. You can hear the separations of the guitars (especially the chorus effect). Even at the end you can hear the multiple guitars clearer.
     
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  15. Brian9229

    Brian9229 Rushman

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    You know though, I really feel that's just plain wrong on many levels. These guys(Rush)put all the hard work in to create these exceptional albums, including take after take after take of vocals, or whatever it may be, to get it just so, and they do this for months on end usually. I'm all for experimenting with sound mixes, as long as the end result consists of the exact performance originally released. Oh jeez, I'm sorry, I definitely didn't mean to come off pushy, or abrasive in any way, I was honestly shocked anyone would mess with performance takes.
     
  16. Stuart S

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    I find it quite interesting that people here are praising the remixes by Steve Wilson and others critical of the Signals remix.

    Steve Wilson remixed Sparkle In The Rain by Simple Minds and did a revisionist hack job on it due to his indifference to the original 80's production.

    Chycki did the same thing here, for different reasons I'm sure. His remixes of One Little Victory and Earthshine were lackluster too.

    Sometimes its just better improve on things rather than redoing the whole thing thinking everyone will like your tastes.

    Oh I forgot to mention that remix of Vapor Trails with the Ride Cymbal barely audible in most of the tracks, what a tragedy!
     
  17. 32XD Japan1

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    For Going For The One the AF won my shootout. For Drama the 1st Japan AMCY is the only good mastering of that album, it is in fact a unique mastering, and sounds great. I'm happy with both of those, so for me it's cool. I wish he would do the first 2 Yes albums however. Maybe Geoff needs a hug from the Buggles guy.
     
  18. 32XD Japan1

    32XD Japan1 Forum Resident

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    So it's an absolute, no way, done deal on Wilson getting his hands on the Rush catalog? If that's the case he's done some stuff for Virgin like the King Crimson catalog, maybe he can tackle the Genesis stuff next. He's a big prog guy so that would be a great match. Maybe even Philly would be cool with it, if he can drag himself away from counting his money. As for Rush, I guess it's 16 bit. I have some really nice sounding old cd pressings, but the flats would be the ultimate in 24/192.
     
  19. DaverJ

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    I haven't heard that remix, but what you've described is not the Steven Wilson I'm familiar with. Based on numerious remixes I've heard from him, he is, if anything, too respectful to the original mix.

    SW has his own album coming out in a couple months with tour(s) coming, so I believe the guy has his plate full for the near future.

    His 5.1 remix of Marillion's Misplaced Childhood is about to be released, and he has stated that he has the master tapes to do a surround mix the Brave album down the road... but sadly can't commit to further Marillion remix projects because of his schedule.
     
  20. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

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    A lot of classic Rush albums have been remixed in 5.1 recently. I guess Steven would like to do some of them but I don't see Rush doing yet another set of remixes in the near future.

    SW won't do any Genesis remixes because he is not that a fan: Steve Wilson "never much of a fan of Genesis"

    The 2015 Rush Hi-Res downloads done by Sean Magee are arguably the best Rush has ever sounded for most of the albums. You should look into them; available in 192/24, 96/24 and 48/24.
     
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  21. Russell Weston

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    This! Very dynamic and neither overly compressed, nor EQ'd to death. Signals could use a tad more top end and the cymbals sound slightly harsh (when compared to MFSL), but other than that, it's a great sounding catalog.
     
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  22. JediJoker

    JediJoker Audio Engineer/Enthusiast

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    Unfortunately, all the ones up through A Show of Hands are audibly watermarked, thanks to Universal's stupidity. The Atlantic albums that follow are not watermarked, however, and Magee's masters of those are sublime, especially for Feedback and Snakes & Arrows. The only way to get these is to buy the vinyl releases, though, which include download cards/codes for the hi-res, and these supposedly expired at the end of last year. Has anyone tested them to see if they're still good, despite the expiration date?
     
  23. Russell Weston

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    The only watermarking I've heard is the reverb at the beginning of Mystic Rhythms
     
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  24. IMHO, the "ride cymbal complaint" is completely bogus. It was mixed out of the intro of ONE song as a creative decision. Big whoop. The entire kit is audible in every other song. One person made the inaccurate "ride cymbal complaint" and then it spread like wildfire across the internet. It's as if no one has actually listened to the remix.
     
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  25. 32XD Japan1

    32XD Japan1 Forum Resident

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    I'm more of a 2 channel guy so the 5.1 stuff really isn't of much interest. I have up to 2112 of the HD tracks, and didn't go further because I found I liked my old 16 bit versions of WG Atomics, Canadian Anthems and 2nd Japan pressings better. But that's just me. I remember preferring the EQ on the 16 bit versions more. Surprised to hear Wilson doesn't like Genesis. I'm sure Philly is all broken up about it.
     

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