Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Ken_McAlinden, Apr 27, 2015.
Is the watermarking present on the 2015 vinyl?
No, it is a digital process added after mastering is completed. Sean Magee cut the LPs himself, there was no way for the label to add watermarking.
Is it on the accompanying download included with the vinyl?
The accompanying downloads for the Universal records (Rush through Show of Hands) are not the same Sean Magee mastering, and as far as I know do now have watermarking. Some of them (all of them?) are needledrops. More information on that upthread.
The accompanying downloads for the Warner releases (Presto through Snaked & Arrows) are not watermarked.
I remember they tried to watermark CDs shortly after they were released but the outcry was enough to put an end to it. I don't think the masses would even care these days though. They don't seem to mind putting always listening microphones in their bedrooms and door locks that can be opened by a huge corporation so why would this bother them?
Thanks for the fast anwer. I will have to check that out today. In any case I completely agree with what was exposed in this thread regarding the watermarking, it's unacceptable. Now I'm afraid to buy hi-res music again, because even if I am unable to appreciate the mess I cannot condone that practice, not in this life.
I have the 24/48 version.
SoundStageDirect had the 2015 Grace Under Pressure LP for $4.99 on closeout today. I bought one to help get my cart over $50 for the free shipping. I was going to post the link, but it appears they are all gone now.
Wow, thanks for the thought Bro!
that’s what happens when you rewind a tape and store it instead of fast forwarding it before storing it
Fyi, it’s still available at 24/192 at 7Digital. I just bought it yesterday. Cheap too. Same price as the 24/48...$14 and change.
Refresh my memory—what album are we talking about here? I would like to check what sample rate I have. Thanks! Never mind—I see you are talking about moving pictures.
Wellers73 asked about Tom Sawyer in his original question to which Plan9 responded and so on, so I assumed Moving Pictures.
Nevermind...I just saw your nevermind.
I just also wanted to add my 'nevermind'...
Are you guys talking about Nirvana in a Rush thread?
Deja Vu all over again.
It was a cut-out the first time around too.
Well, Dave Grohl is a big Rush fan!
Have anyone compared the original 180 gram RTI pressed Snakes & arrows against the new reissue cut by Sean Magee?
THAT I would really like to know too... Some guy is selling a sealed one right now about around $100
So I've been doing some shootouts the past few days. These are my findings, but I invite any and all to comment.
(I don't do vinyl, so all references to the Sean Magee masterings refer to the hi-rez downloads. Also, any references to other vinyl are needledrops I've collected. )
Rush s/t - Magee wins out over the 2014 vinyl. More focused.
FBN - I originally preferred the GK vinyl, but I've come to realize it is a bit on the crispy side. The Magee version is simply meatier, if a little darker.
COS - Tough call between the Anthem CD and Magee. But Magee wins out again due to greater meatiness.
2112 - I once preferred the MOFI. Then I switched to the Sector version. But the real battle was between the Anthem CD and Magee. I go with Magee for the more relaxed presentation.
AFTK - I didn't have many versions to compare this one to, but Magee's version seems to strike the right balance. It tames the highs a bit.
Hemispheres - Shootout between the SACD and Magee. The SACD has more high frequency detail, but the Magee has more focused bass. The Magee rocks harder.
PeW - Without a doubt the MOFI CD completely slays the Magee version. Fat, punchy bass while retaining the bite and edge of the original recording. Those who prefer darker recordings might like the Magee version better, but not me.
MP - The Magee version is no slouch by any means. It has more high frequency energy. But both the RL vinyl and the 03 WG Atomic beat it for slam.
Signals - This is where things start to get difficult. I compared the Sector version, the SHM, the MOFI and the Magee. It came down to the MOFI and the Magee. The MOFI is preferred if you are a bass player and want to hear every last bit of grit and growl from Geddy's bass, but the Magee version is overall a better presentation and more pleasing to the ears as a whole.
GUP - The Magee stands shoulders above the Japanese, the Sector, and the Atomic. It does have some volume issues, however, as others have noted. The Magee version is warmer than any other version. Punchy, too.
PW - My favorite Rush album. I used to favor the Japanese 35.8P because it tamed the brittle highs a bit and added a tad more bass, but Magee took that pattern even further and turned it into a beast. Power Windows never sounded better than Magee's version.
HYF - This one was tricky. There is no ideal version of this album. Each version has it's pluses and minuses. I compared the 97 remaster, the Boxset, a vinly, and Magee. After much deliberation I would have to say the Magee is the best compromise between all of them. Punchier bass with tamed highs.
Presto - Things get even more difficult here. I compared the 97 remaster, the Boxset version, the SACD and the Magee. Very close between the SACD and Magee. I can't make up my mind. Please make up my mind for me!
RTB - Similar to Presto, I found it very difficult to decide on this one. The 97 remaster is no slouch, the Boxset added more bass, the AF has greater clarity, and the Magee is very close to the AF. I'd probably go with the Magee but I'm open to other ideas on this one.
Counterparts - Compared the original CD, the Boxset, and the German Vinyl. The SACD is very detailed and clinical, which is nice, but the German vinyl had more bass, was more alive, and simply more engaging in general. I go with the German vinyl on this one.
This is the point where I get off the Rush train. I have difficulty listening to anything after Counterparts, and I say that as a hardcore fan. But I will say that I was disappointed with the Magee TFE. The Magee version is very dark and muted. It doesn't sound as alive as the original CD. I recall a poster here mentioned differences between the hi-res download and the vinyl, so that might be the cause.
Anyway, flame or inform away!
I believe the 2014 reDISCovered Rush LP is the same mastering as the 2015.
Thanks for giving us the benefit of your time and trouble Bro!
The only area where we criss / cross is that you kind of confirm my impression of McGee's Counterparts. Apparently, you preferred the German vinyl which is good to know... Bugger too, since I DO like that album out of their newer stuff...
Probably not apples to apples, but check out the AFTK Wilson 5.1 remix and prepare for the best!
Presto is a tricky pick. I go back and forth from the original Atlantic, SACD, & Magee. Still undecided.
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