Satisfaction in Stereo

Looks like Satisfaction isn't in Stereo on Green Grass, or is it so narrow, I can't tell? Is Satisfaction MONO only thought the lot? Curious. If not, it's easy to live with.

 

I agree. In a LOT of instances, I'm hearing remixes too. Totally different taste in vocal and guitar movement within the mixes. It's usually on the "hits" too.

I have the wiggy Stereo version on a Westwood One disc. Fun!

Just checking to see if Hot Rocks was any different. If not, I won't waste the extra.

 

Sckott,
Save your dough. Hot Rocks has the exact mix Steve describes. And the piano/guitar part is mixed so low it's barely more than an echo. Grrr!

 

So then the Londons would be the best versions of Hot Rocks?

 

I'd say listen for yourself. It's a love/hate relationship no matter where you go. The London Aftermath is nice though.

When using the word "best", I can't wholly decide. The new Abkco sounds nice, but it's not real. If it were the authentic MONO version sounding better, I'd take it and say, OK. Besides, all the stereo verisons I've heard sound like a rollercoaster ride. Heck that's not real either, or real good. Just stereo with lots of stretchy seperation.

Still listening too, peeps. The jury is still out for a lot of these issues. Ya Ya's sounds good in SACD. No big nah-nahs on Ya yahs I've heard so far. Yes, the TIC is there on MR, always was, as other's have said.

 

I agree w/ Steve.

It HAS TO BE a newly-made mix. I was listening to it in headphones...and I realized that it is basically mono, with a track delayed on either side (exactly like the "My Generation" stereo remixes).

NOTHING was mixed like that in 1965.

I think it could be a tweaking of the "old" stereo mix, left channel moved center...right channel delayed left/right.

I personally love this new mix, despite people's complaints.

The only thing that pisses me off is....why did they lie to us?

They couldn't make some new stereo mixes for us, like "19th Nervous" or "Mother Baby"? Thanks a lot.

 

I can't wait until next month's ICE. They have promised an expanded Watchdog column devoted to the new Stones releases. Maybe some of these issues will be answered.

 

No, I don't think it is. Why, you may ask? Two reasons:

1) I don't think ABKCO has the multitracks.
2) Listen to the Sam Cooke remixes on ABKCO. Those were done by Steve Rosenthal, the same guy who oversaw the Stones project. Those were recorded at the same studio, with the same engineer, in the same way (some, anyway, like Good News). How are *those* mixed? In straight three-track fashion, with the rhythm track brought slightly to the center. No delay or splitting, like this.

I'm not saying this was a 1965 mix, but it wasn't a 2002 mix.

No, it couldn't. If they did that, the vocals would be delayed left and right as well. They aren't - they are dead center.

This was a mix from the 3-track tape, maybe done in the '70s or '80s. I can pretty much guarantee it wasn't done specifically for the SACDs.

 

I personally like the new HR version of Satisfaction. It bowled me over. It was a little difficult to figure out if it was stereo or mono. Only by flicking my MONO switch on my pre-amp could I tell that it was not mono. The stereo sounded very narrow. Still, all in all, a nice mix. Can anyone tell me on what authorized CD (not including the London HR I) or LP I can find the 1960's Decca or RCA "stereo" version of this track? I have the recent German digi-pak boot, "Stereo Stones," and am wondering if there's another better way to hear this version of this track. Thanks

 

If you like the new stereo mix, you'll hate the old stereo mix.

If I recall correctly, it's something like this:

Backing track - hard left
Vocals - center
Acoustic Guitar/Piano - hard right

Everything is happening in the left, while the acoustic guitar jabs you in the right ear, out of character with the rocking feel of everything else. (the acoustic is very low in mono mix, reasonably low in new stereo mix)

It really sucks!

The new mix suits me just fine, because it solves the problem with the other mix...it has balance and rockability.

 

Do I understand correctly that the MONO "Satisfaction" is only available on the U.S. version of "Out Of Our Heads" and that all the other discs use the newer stereo mix? Or does the Singles Collection box also use the mono mix of "Satisfaction" too? (I'm speaking of the new discs of course).

 

Peter, the best sounding "Satisfaction" I have heard is on the Arcade boot "Strictly Stereo". It's superior to the German digipak. Mickboy's version on "Only When it's Frozen" really rocks but is not as clean.

Dr. Roberts

 

It's very easy to take two copies of the wonky stereo version, fold one of them into mono, and mix it into the stereo one digitally. Do this only at home, folks! I'm about to do it just to see what I think of it.... later...

 

But Steve, if you had access to the master you could produce the reference mix by infusing it with the "breath of life".

Dr. Roberts

 

I have it, and it's mono. Now Honky Tonk Women...aw...it's been covered.

A Stereo a-side with a mono b-side. At least it beats the ol' Singles Box: Stereo cowbell HTW, mono everything else with a stereo b-side. Do I hear Dyslexia anybody

Brian

 

With all the could haves, would haves,and should haves regarding the Stones reissue, at least we've got the CCR catalogue comin' on SACD to look forward to, that is if they can ever find the time to press the discs.

Dr. Roberts

 

I know I'm alone, but I do like the London stereo version of Satisfaction. Sure, it's different from the hit version, but difference can be fun...I think it lends a different character to the song (well, it DOES lend a different character...and I like it...hehe).

Answering a question above,

"Can anyone tell me on what authorized CD (notincluding the London HR I) or LP I can find the 1960's Decca or RCA stereo version of this track? "

The answer is, nowhere. It only shows up on HR1, and was never released in the 60s.

-D

 

The Singles Collection certainly does contain the mono mix. And, while I do like the new mix on the remastersd HR, I agree with Steve that the only real version of "Satisfaction" is the original mono mix. No of getting around that, even with tweaking the London stereo mix.

 

I think I'll stick to the mono version on the new Singles box. The stereo - every version - sounds too hinky* to me!

Ray

*hinky=wonky

 

I just don't think "original" automatically equates to the "definitive".

I've listened to the "original" "Sympathy for the Devil" at the wrong tempo for over 30 years. Apples and oranges you say.

The "original" 5X5 EP was released in mono, but the stereo mixes blow the "original" away.

The rest of the early Chess material was initially released in mono. Doesn't everybody prefer to listen to these gems in stereo?

Isn't the "dirty" stereo mix of "Heart of Stone" preferable to the original mono? I could go on and on, but you get the idea.

I've read where the tracks for "Satisfaction" were recorded at both Chess and RCA with the final release being a composite. The problem is, we just never got the definitive officially released stereo version.

Dr. Roberts