Scorsese's "Casino" - Critical Reappraisal?

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  1. jjhunsecker

    jjhunsecker Senior Member

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    I saw "Casino" the week it opened in 1995, and while I really liked it, I thought it was too similar to "Goodfellas" in many regards. My opinion of it has risen dramatically after watching on blu-ray last year, to where I think it is one of Scorsese's greatest works, behind "GF", "Raging Bull" and "Taxi Driver", and ahead of "The Departed" and "Wolf of Wall Street" and "Gangs of New York"
     
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  2. Daniel Plainview

    Daniel Plainview God's Lonely Man

    It's just OK with me. Too much voice-over stuff during the first hour. Too long overall. And too grotesque (though effective, I suppose).

    I do utilize some of Pesci's quotes around the house, though. "YOU'RE **** WARNED DON'T EVER GO OVER MY HEAD AGAIN YOU MOTHER***** YOU!"
     
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  3. The Panda

    The Panda Forum Mutant

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    The 'follow the money' sequence is just wonderful. And I know he's done this before, but I'm just a sucker for those long shots.
     
  4. mmars982

    mmars982 Forum Resident

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    I can appreciate it more now than when I first saw it. At the time, it seemed too similar to Goodfellas, which had really taken everyone by surprise when it came out. Now I can enjoy it for what it is.
     
  5. The Hermit

    The Hermit Wavin' that magick glowstick since 1976

    There's only one cut; the 178-minute theatrical version... Marty doesn't do alternate versions.
     
  6. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    TV Version 3 Hours . Only 2 minutes more :)
    What about watching in the theatre /cinema (USA /Europe )when it came out. That's longer than any media available?
     
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  7. The Hermit

    The Hermit Wavin' that magick glowstick since 1976

    Nope, there's one version and one version alone of Casino... Marty Scorsese doesn't like later alternate versions of his works, he always states the cut that ends up in cinemas is his director's cut, for better or worse.

    I wish he'd go back and restore his three-hour-plus version of Gangs of New York though (before Harvey Weinstein demanded cuts and changes)... with the original Elmer Bernstein score, and without the unnecessary voiceover narration, alas...
     
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  8. yesstiles

    yesstiles Senior Member Thread Starter

  9. Graham

    Graham Senior Member

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    It’s a fantastic film. Outside of the mob action, at its heart, Casino is about three people (De Niro, Pesci and Stone) and how their personal interrelationships brought down a criminal empire. Hence why the theme music from Le Mepris - also about a woman, her two lovers, and consequences - plays over the opening credits. Brilliant stuff, audacious filmmaking.
     
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  10. That and Sharon Stone's histrionics were enough for me.
     
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  11. Django

    Django Forum Resident

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    It's kind of the last film he did that has that Scorsese feel to it & not just because it's a gangster film.
     
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  12. yesstiles

    yesstiles Senior Member Thread Starter

  13. NightGoatToCairo

    NightGoatToCairo Forum Resident

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    Wolf Of Wall Street?
     
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  14. George Co-Stanza

    George Co-Stanza Forum Resident

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  15. GregM

    GregM The expanding man

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    I certainly think there is a case to be made for Casino being Scorsese's greatest film. I like it better than Goodfellas--it is more epic in scope, the story of the rise and fall of the Tangiers is more interesting to me than the rise and fall of Henry Hill, and I vastly prefer Pesci and De Niro's more authentic narration to Liota's "nothing-like-a-Brooklyn-accent" droning in Goodfellas. Also the preceding film allowed Scorsese to perfect his craft and the cinematography by Richardson is better. I vastly prefer Lorraine Bracco to Sharon Stone, but the way Scorsese directed them made it almost a wash in terms of the love interest.
     
  16. VU Master

    VU Master Senior Member

    Wish I could give you a double like for that one!

    :goodie:
     
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  17. John Moschella

    John Moschella Senior Member

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    Yea, but that scene where she really melts down is pretty awesome.

    I give the edge to Goodfellas, but Casino is damn good.
     
  18. Dr. Funk

    Dr. Funk Vintage Dust

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    Goodfellas was ground breaking for the genre. It set the wheels in motion for many good mob flicks.......Donnie Brasco, Gangs Of New York, The Departed, American Gangster, Kill The Irishman, and others. Casino is not one of my favorites, Sharon Stone's character is a little over the top.
     
  19. Tim S

    Tim S Senior Member

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    best match ever of character to name = Lester Diamond

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  20. Myke

    Myke Trying Not To Spook The Horse

    You expect a small puddle of grease to be left where he was sitting. The smell of cheap aftershave from six feet away.
     
  21. With respect to these two observations: I thought it was kind of clever when Peschi's narration was abruptly cut short by the baseball bat.
     
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  22. Chazro

    Chazro Forum Resident

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    In the latest episode of Billions, in the process if crushing a guy, Paul Giamatti refers to him as ' some kind of Lester Diamond character...', Ya gotta love how by saying that instantaneously let's you know what a slimeball this guy is!;)
     
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  23. Gill-man

    Gill-man Forum Resident

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    This critic deserves a standing ovation for this review, especially this portion:

    'Casino' (R)

     
  24. Vidiot

    Vidiot Now in 4K HDR!

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    Oh, I love the scenes at the bar with the fountain pen and the other scene with the guy's head in a vice. Those horrified me and made me laugh, which show you what kinda guy I am. I also like the opening lines, which basically say, "important rule in Vegas: always have the grave dug first, before you drive out to the desert, so there won't be any problem in case there's somebody around." That advice has been useful for me.
     
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  25. NettleBed

    NettleBed Forum Transient

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    First time I saw it I thought it was an overdone attempt to cash in on Goodfellas. But I agree with the Wikipedia line. While I do think that there is too much Sharon Stone, and that there are ways that it could have been better, watching it in the mid-2000s after not having seen it since it came out, I found it much easier to appreciate. It's *not* a re-hash of Goodfellas, IMO, but a film that has some obvious parallels to Goodfellas. It felt like a rehash because it came out so soon after Goodfellas and because Robert DeNiro and Joe Pesci played large roles in both films. But it's really its own story. The Robert DeNiro character is nothing like Henry Hill from Goodfellas, nor is the character much like DeNiro's Jimmy from Goodfellas. The Pesci characters obviously have more similarities, but there are significant differences, too. I think part of it was just the casting, as well as the fact that the characters - while pretty different, IMO - nevertheless filled very similar roles/purposes in both films. And there are only so many nuances one actor can give to two roles that have the similarities that those characters did. I truly believe that if someone else had been cast to play the Joe Pesci character, that there would not have been as much Goodfellas fatigue with respect to Casino. Harvey Keitel IMO could easily have played the Joe Pesci character. Or, I think he could have played Ace and DeNiro could have had a shot at bringing his own psychotic interpretation to Nicky.

    So my reappraisal of Casino is that it is high caliber Scorsese. I'm not saying that it's as good as Goodfellas or some of Scorsese's great films prior to Goodfellas, but I do think that it's better than anything else he's done *since* Goodfellas, with the possible exception of Hugo, which is really apples and oranges anyway.

    In short, if I'm going to go with a post Goodfellas Scorsese film that dips a bit into the established Scorsese bag of tricks in terms of style, I'm taking Casino over Departed, and I'm taking Casino in a very big way over Wolf of Wall Street.
     
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