SH's Billie Holiday Original Decca Masters

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  1. bartels76

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    I got this through half.com and I gotta say this is the best Billie Holiday I have heard sonically from this era of her career. Great job on this Steve!

    By the way, why weren't these tapes really hissy? I assumed they would be.
     
  2. MMM

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  4. bartels76

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    Thanks! A thread before my time. I'll take a look!
     
  5. Steve Hoffman

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    Why would the tapes be hissy? :confused:
     
  6. bartels76

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    I just compared Good Morning Heartache b/w the Ken Burns single disc comp (mastered by Kevin Reeves) and SH's disc and SH's wins. I'm not sure if Reeves got a lesser quality disc to master with or he didn't know the Wesson oil trick. The Ken Burns version sounds terrible.
     
  7. bartels76

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    Re: Re: SH's Billie Holiday Original Decca Masters

    Well, their ancient. Most old tapes sound hissy, but these don't.
     
  8. KeithH

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    I agree with Shawn. This is yet another disc done beautifully by Mr. Hoffman. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
     
  9. jamesmaya

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    Re: Re: Re: SH's Billie Holiday Original Decca Masters

    Wasn't this title mastered directly from the glass discs (instead of tapes)?
     
  10. Mark

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    I got this one, too. Fabulous. Of course.
     
  11. KeithH

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    James said:

    That's what was said in the older thread that MMM referenced. Note that the Holiday disc is called From the Original Decca Masters, not From the Original Master Tapes. I assume that there was a method to Steve's madness in choosing the title. ;)
     
  12. Steve Hoffman

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    All but two songs (if I remember) are from master tapes.
     
  13. MMM

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    I still don't have this, but I think a few of the songs are new enough on it where their original master is a tape, but the rest of the songs were originally recorded direct to disc.
     
  14. Dave

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    On the back of the booklet it says "Digitally mastered from the original Decca 30 IPS session tapes, but in the booklet it says "Originally recorded on 331/3 RPM glass discs. These rare original discs were used in the digital transfer." :confused: :help: Steve.

    PS: Nevermind, I see you've already answered.
     
  15. MMM

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    Our posts kinda crossed Steve, sorry. I'm a little confused though. Do you remember if you used a tape dub for some of the songs that were originally recorded direct to disc? If you had to, was it because the sound on those tape copies was better than the sound on the actual discs due to deterioration of the discs?
     
  16. bartels76

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    All were from the original tapes except for 2 songs that were from glass masters.
     
  17. Steve Hoffman

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    I have not looked at or played this disc since 1986 so I'm going from memory here.

    If there are recording dates in the booklet, DECCA got their Ampex tape machines on March 1, 1949 (thanks to Bing Crosby), right after the second AFM recording ban. So, if a song was recorded after that date, is was recorded direct to tape. If it was recorded before March 1, 1949, it was recorded to 16" vertical World Broadcasting Transcription "cover" discs over a special dedicated land phone line. If it was recorded during the war, it was direct to 16" vertical World Broadcasting GLASS cover discs.
     
  18. MMM

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    Thanks for trying to help Steve. No one can be expected to remember everything! :)
     
  19. Steve Hoffman

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    I think most everything I chose for the BILLIE CD was from tape, it just sounded so much better than disc....
     
  20. MMM

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    Nice to hear that they made some good transfers at Decca years ago.
     
  21. bartels76

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    That explains why all but 2 songs on the CD were recorded after that date. Very cool info Steve.
     
  22. Steve Hoffman

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    Ah, that's what I remembered.

    Please realize that tape recording, for the most part, is hiss free, especially mono and two-track recordings. Those Billie Holiday recordings were produced by Milt Gabler and recorded at 30 inches per second on Scotch 111 through an all vacuum-tube console using RCA Ribbon microphones. This is some of the best sound ever recorded!
     
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  23. Cafe Jeff

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    Wow.
    I had no idea -- I suppose I really should read the liner notes more carefully -- that this was a Hoffman special. Have enjoyed this set for years.
    Great songs, well sung, well mastered, and very well packaged. To be so close to Billie must have been wonderful. Jeff
    Now a vinyl transfer would be fun...
     
  24. Steve Hoffman

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    All gone now...
     
  25. audiomixer

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