Simon & Garfunkel's "Bridge Over Troubled Water" to be released on Hybrid SACD* - Update: CANCELLED*

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  1. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    It's still unclear how you would know how it sounded without hearing it. The HD download uses the stereo masters and you don't like that; a transfer of the quad masters may sound great...or not.
     
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  2. c-eling

    c-eling Dinner's In The Microwave Sweety

    I'd say the 192 is about overkill :laugh:
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  3. MarioBR

    MarioBR Forum Resident

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    An example: Carpenters song in SACD 5.1 channels

    This SACD was done using de Original Studer 16-Tracks Analog Tape to make a 5.1 mix
    The voice of Karen Carpenter is Big and Real .. sounds is great and wonderful
    2-inch tape 16-Track directly in a new 5.1 mix


    The album "Bridge" was also recorded on a Ampex 16-Tracks machine 30ips speed
    and this 16-Tracks in the hands .. Roy Halee use to a make Quad 4.0 Mix

    This new SACD of Simon&Garfunkel maybe Sony Japan use the FIRST generation of
    Original Analog Tape Quadraphonic and the voice of Art Garfunkel
    will be in the same quality identical as this video on Youtube of the Carpenters


    The voice of Karen Carpenter is Big and Real .. in High Resolution



    Listen the song on Youtube !!!
     
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  4. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    The point is, assuming the master tapes were used in both cases, there's no inherent difference between the HDtracks stereo release and the SACD quad release:

    Stereo:
    multitracks -> analog master tape (stereo) -> hi resolution digital (192/24)

    Quad:
    multitracks -> analog master tape (quad) -> hi resolution digital (DSD)

    The mastering may be different on the SACD, but there's no way of knowing what that may sound like without hearing it.

    The Carpenters' disc isn't applicable, because beside the fact that the recordings are necessarily totally different, that was newly remixed for 5.1. BOTW is an existing quad (4.0) mix.
     
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  5. Dillydipper

    Dillydipper Space-Age luddite

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    Luke, if I recall correctly, most of the 5.1 puts Karen exclusively in the Center track, making that easy to excerpt, beef-up, then mix back in. I, on the other hand, don't know what was separated where in the original Quad. It could have been a matter of "flying-in" the vocal from the SACD into the rest from the Quad, as Zappa used to do with desparate guitar solos. Either way, it does sound dandy; I need to start running a few of these YouTubed multi-mixes through my Dolby PLII circuit on the big system...

    I just love that hobbyists are getting to slap these together on their own, and post them someplace public! These sort of shenanigans could keep the multi-channel freaks ( :wave: ) happy for a long time.
     
  6. Pelvis Ressley

    Pelvis Ressley Down in the Jungle Room

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    Cuts off around 44.1kHz. :laugh:
     
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  7. RubenH

    RubenH Forum Resident

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    Jeez . . . perhaps there are business and/or legal reasons for Sony or whomever to not be releasing this in the very best possible fidelity / format, but here I am, ready to happily part with $35-45, some of which will (appropriately) go to S+G, the musicians/estates, producers, label, etc., but will probably be searching the web for some version that may or may not be the holy grail. As someone who believes in paying people for what they produce (music, art, software, labor), this is frustrating.
     
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  8. I wouldn't blame Sony in this case...
     
  9. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    The blame squarely falls on us.
     
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  10. supermd

    supermd Senior Member

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    How do you figure?
     
  11. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    I just figured it made as much sense as anything...
     
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  12. supermd

    supermd Senior Member

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    Makes sense.
     
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  13. The Hud

    The Hud Breath of the Kingdom, Tears of the Wild

    I blame Richard Cory and that Most Peculiar Man!
     
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  14. zappaien

    zappaien Forum Resident

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    Pre ordered on Amazon.jp
    We ll see
     
  15. carrolls

    carrolls Forum Resident

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    Anybody have any news? Has it been pulled?
     
  16. Chris C

    Chris C Music was my first love and it will be my last!

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    I was filing away a few of my surround discs the other day and I almost had a heart attack when I surprised myself by pulling out a DVD in a white slip cover envelope that said "Simon & Garfunkel Bridge Over DVD-A" on it. Damn, I completely forgot that I had a copy of that. I'll be honest and admit that the mix on this is far from the truly "discrete" use of each of the four channels, that I usually enjoy with surround mixes, but nonetheless there were still some nice surprises, especially the car at the end of "Baby Driver", which takes an almost complete spin around the room. The one thing that I really enjoyed with the quad mix was that Artie's lead vocals soars like an angel with full use of all four channels on that title cut.

    I'm still hopeful that we will get that "surround" SACD, but if it's not to be, I thank my lucky stars to have a copy of that quad mix, as it's a keeper!
     
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  17. audiomixer

    audiomixer As Bald As The Beatles

    Bootleg copy?!? Has to be...
     
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  18. Chris C

    Chris C Music was my first love and it will be my last!

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    DVD-A dub of original quad copy!
     
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  19. audiomixer

    audiomixer As Bald As The Beatles

    You didn't mention that in your original post.
     
  20. giantleech

    giantleech Lord of all fevers and plagues

    Jeez, any new news on this confounded debacle of a (maybe to occur) quad/no quad release? :mad:
     
  21. Dillydipper

    Dillydipper Space-Age luddite

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    Yes...it's definitely...Simon and Garfunkel.
     
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  22. Myke

    Myke Trying Not To Spook The Horse

    Went to the first post of this thread, clicked on the CD Japan link, saw no change. Mystery solved.
     
  23. pablorkcz

    pablorkcz ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️

    Amazon Japan just delayed my delivery to Nov 11-14 (Nov. 8 release date) so, as far as I can tell, it's still on.
     
  24. zappaien

    zappaien Forum Resident

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    Same just received the mail, so it s on !
     
  25. Chris C

    Chris C Music was my first love and it will be my last!

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    I'm thinking that you may be rueing the day that you decided to delete this pre-order from your cart?
     
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