Sinatra / Capitol Sound Quality and General Discussion - Come Dance with Me (released 1959)*

This post may be best in the marketplace forum but I figure I might get a better response from fellow Sinatra lovers here. So about 3 weeks ago I find a variation of CDWM that I don't have on sale in the UK, but the seller was not willing to do international shipping. I contacted a Facebook friend and asked her to buy it then send it to me once she got it. She won it but it never arrived. The idiot seller couldn't bother to give it a tracking # but the courier says it delivered. So if anyone can find this German mono copy Cat# K83132 please PLEASE sell it to me. Lastly if anyone finds this Holland copy W-1069. I need both of these in my collection. There's 2 other variations from Argentina I need but those are going to be crazy hard to get.

 

A question: I have an Sinatra Capitol double Lp album called "Golden double 32" from Japan. It features a stereo version of "I could have danced all night" that uses a complete different mix than any other version I know of. The sax section is bone dry and very much up front. It almost has a 1930's sound to it. Does anybody know anything about it. Would love to have the complete CDWM album with this mix. But I can't even seem to find it in Matt's invaluable samples pages. I think the defective reverb is there but I'm not sure.

 

Frank looks as if he's saying "You're a dead man!"

 

From the film "A Hole in the Head" (1959), actually.

Correct track list at SFF: Frank Sinatra Album - Golden Double 32 1975 Capitol ECS-65013/14 JP

 

So the first defective stereo mix was deleted?! How come it survived on this compilation? Was it ever released as an album? The Golden Double album stinks soundwise because it uses fake stereo versions as well. But I find the dry sound of "could have danced" very interesting. It gives you a hint on how that album could have sounded ( if it would have been mixed properly without defective mix). The dry sax section makes you realize that Billy May arranged the orchestra in a 1930's fashion. You don't hear that when the orchestra is drowned in reverb!!!

 

As always your knowledge and advice is priceless! Thanks!

 

I'm breaking in a new cartridge (Dynavector 10x5) and did a shootout with an original Capitol 9 0clock/text (D4/D2), a UK Dell and the '83 MFSL. Played the MFSL 1st, sounded very good but not quite...the Capitol sounded good enough but a bit compressed and the Dell sounded amazing. Everything that was supposed to be there was there. Very open, not harsh, just...great. I'm very glad that I have 3 stereo copies of this and that they're all different. But I think from now on, the Dell will be my go-to.

 

I have a Dell mono version that says stereo on the cover. Sound is good but not too impressive. And by the way, why where the Dell versions not able to write on the cover what was inside the sleeve???!!!
I have another mono 9o'clock UK version that sounds very thin and bad compared to the Dell. I'll have to say that usually the UK EMI pressings sound almost always bad.
I only have the stereo version on Cd. Never knew that, because like I said my damn album cover reads stereo and only noticed now, because my records were stored away for ten years.
So from what I learned here, I'll have to seek out the original defective stereo mix plus the later mix. Which makes five different versions in the end. If I count the new Ume which is very tempting it will be six. Almost insane!

 

Thanks Matt, it's the mono version seen on the photo you posted. Like I said "Sound is good but not too impressive" which only confirms that the mono mix is no great shakes. This was my first copy of this album I bought when I was around ten years old. So I've grown up with this one.

Thanks for the info on the EMI's. Still I will stay away from those in the future, because they are too often subpar compared to the US versions.

As for the many different versions, no nobody needs to seek out all of them. But in my case, right now I am collecting all the original pressings of Sinatra's albums, simply because I mostly have reissues only. So I will need the first defective mix.

Then I understand from your post that the best stereo version is the Dell or the German '76. So I'll need one of them to.

Which then will make 5 different versions in my collection. Like I said almost insane! And the Ume is still tempting even with the compression.

What still bothers me is that in my case, I already bought a Dell stereo version which turned out mono!!! Once again, how can they write Stereo and put in a mono disc???!!! And get away with that. And they did that with other albums as well (Come fly with me, No one cares...)

 

I DO! And have been for 7 years now. Ass far as this album is concerned I have 86 different variations from all around the world. 25 just from the US. As far as I know I only need one from the Netherlands and 2 from Argentina to have a copy of all known variations.

 

Merry Xmas to me.

 

Wow! Do you have the version from Chile? How is the sound on that one? What mix? Somebody is offering that to me. Don't know if I should buy it...
It is called "Ven Baila Conmigo" and has a white label and is stereo

 

Chile..... there's one,,, from Chile?! I had no idea one existed. If someone is offering it to you can you offer it to me? Like it's my goal to have every variation And i'm now in rare and very hard to find territory.

 

Just bought it. Will receive it next week. Looking forward to it.

 

Today I've received the Chile Lp of CDWM!!! It's a beauty! It has the original defective mix ( which I was after!). I know it's a dog soundwise (and very odd that they released it that way) but I'm crazy bout the dry sax section.

The Chile record is so nice. It has a golden Capitol label (never seen that one ever) and it was distributed by Odeon. The label itself reads "Ven, baila conmigo". The record has a N3 and N4 stamper.

I bought this from a lady here in Germany. She told me that her father was on vacation in Chile in the early 60s and bought the record right there!
So glad that it has the original mix. Because she said early 60s. The second mix came in 1962. So I was very curious which mix was used on this one.

All I can say, I got so much fun out of this one, when I played it I felt like 12 years old all over again!!!

 

Does it appear to be USA sourced, with the same stamping style?

 

I really can't tell if it's USA sourced. Maybe you can help me?

The label reads "Fabricado en Chile por industrias electricas y musicales Odeon".
The complete stamper is SW 1 - 1069 - N3 though! Same stamping style.

What do you think?