Sinatra / Capitol Sound Quality and General Discussion: "Nice 'n' Easy" - 1960*

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  1. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    One of the best Capitol quarter-track tapes I've heard. I lucked out, insofar as my copy is, IIRC, utterly without flaw (no dropouts, defects, etc.), which is atypical for the used tape market. (The former owner was probably a Perry Como fan.)
     
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  2. .crystalised.

    .crystalised. Forum Resident

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    Agreed. Of the 4 tracks in my own library, it's the clear winner. It even beats some of the half-tracks!
     
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  3. Joni H

    Joni H Member

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    I have the tape too, along with a few other quarter-tracks. Very natural sound.
     
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  4. Vinylfindco

    Vinylfindco The Pressing Matters

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    I just searched my collection and found that in addition to the new MOFI vinyl, I have a yellow label mono and the 4-track reel! Also the Only The Lonely and Come Dance With Me reels! Now to get my Pioneer tape deck out of mothballs and see what you guys are talking about!
     
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  5. .crystalised.

    .crystalised. Forum Resident

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    The MOFI pressing is great, but the tape is incredible. Very smooth and musical. Deep bass extension, transparent and silky highs, and a midrange with a harmonic texture that could make a grown man weep.
     
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  6. DABarrios

    DABarrios Forum Resident

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    Great review. I'm really tempted to seek out a reel to reel player now.
     
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  7. .crystalised.

    .crystalised. Forum Resident

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    Thanks bud. I film it live without a script. Some episodes run smoother than others. The mic on my DSLR doesn't really do the tape justice but you still get an idea of its warmth and clarity. That hiss is all from the camera. Usually I don't include sound clips. Strange to think UMG now owns the rights to that episode because I played one minute of "Fools Rush In"... :/
     
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  8. mahanusafa02

    mahanusafa02 Forum Resident

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    About a week ago, over in the Where Are You sound quality thread (http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threa...e-you-1957-album.205245/page-15#post-13220831), some posts were being traded re: the Nice 'n' Easy CD releases from 1988 and 1991. The subject of the discussion was the 1988 Japan CD release, CP28-5778, and what similarities (if any) it may have had to the 1988 US CD release, CDP 7 91149 2:

    Well, I now have a copy of this Japanese disc in my hands. Artwork-wise, it is very similar to the 1988 Walsh CD, except on the back: no bar code, running times added, and additional Japanese characters. Of course, "The Nearness of You" is also added to the track list. Like the Japanese Where Are You disc, the Nice 'n' Easy disc itself features not only the Japanese catalog number but also "CDP 7 91149 2-J." Finally, although the inside of the insert is blank, like the 1988 US disc, there is an additional insert with English lyrics and an essay in Japanese that superficially resembles the Pete Welding essay in the 1991 US CD release of NNE (I mean, it has similar dates in Arabic numerals).

    The CD sounds, to me, identical to the 1988 US release. Meaning that the mix of the title track on the two discs is the same, although the running time of the tracks are about half a second different and start in different sectors. Their DRs look to be the same. Per EAC:

    1988 JP CD:
    Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
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    1 | 0:00.00 | 2:48.07 | 0 | 12606
    2 | 2:48.07 | 3:36.08 | 12607 | 28814
    3 | 6:24.15 | 3:15.52 | 28815 | 43491
    4 | 9:39.67 | 2:17.25 | 43492 | 53791
    5 | 11:57.17 | 4:28.25 | 53792 | 73916
    6 | 16:25.42 | 3:23.30 | 73917 | 89171
    7 | 19:48.72 | 3:19.28 | 89172 | 104124
    8 | 23:08.25 | 3:56.35 | 104125 | 121859
    9 | 27:04.60 | 3:22.52 | 121860 | 137061
    10 | 30:27.37 | 3:24.50 | 137062 | 152411
    11 | 33:52.12 | 2:48.28 | 152412 | 165039
    12 | 36:40.40 | 2:58.00 | 165040 | 178389
    13 | 39:38.40 | 2:42.15 | 178390 | 190554

    1988 US CD:
    Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    1 | 0:00.32 | 2:47.45 | 32 | 12601
    2 | 2:48.02 | 3:36.08 | 12602 | 28809
    3 | 6:24.10 | 3:15.52 | 28810 | 43486
    4 | 9:39.62 | 2:17.25 | 43487 | 53786
    5 | 11:57.12 | 4:28.25 | 53787 | 73911
    6 | 16:25.37 | 3:23.30 | 73912 | 89166
    7 | 19:48.67 | 3:19.28 | 89167 | 104119
    8 | 23:08.20 | 3:56.35 | 104120 | 121854
    9 | 27:04.55 | 3:22.52 | 121855 | 137056
    10 | 30:27.32 | 3:24.50 | 137057 | 152406
    11 | 33:52.07 | 2:48.28 | 152407 | 165034
    12 | 36:40.35 | 2:56.25 | 165035 | 178259

    1991 US CD for comparison:
    Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    1 | 0:00.00 | 2:46.37 | 0 | 12486
    2 | 2:46.37 | 3:35.63 | 12487 | 28674
    3 | 6:22.25 | 3:16.02 | 28675 | 43376
    4 | 9:38.27 | 2:17.15 | 43377 | 53666
    5 | 11:55.42 | 4:28.13 | 53667 | 73779
    6 | 16:23.55 | 3:23.17 | 73780 | 89021
    7 | 19:46.72 | 3:19.35 | 89022 | 103981
    8 | 23:06.32 | 3:56.53 | 103982 | 121734
    9 | 27:03.10 | 3:22.52 | 121735 | 136936
    10 | 30:25.62 | 3:24.53 | 136937 | 152289
    11 | 33:50.40 | 2:48.07 | 152290 | 164896
    12 | 36:38.47 | 2:59.55 | 164897 | 178376
    13 | 39:38.27 | 2:43.30 | 178377 | 190631
    14 | 42:21.57 | 2:55.70 | 190632 | 203826
    15 | 45:17.52 | 3:05.35 | 203827 | 217736
    16 | 48:23.12 | 3:12.18 | 217737 | 232154

    Tracks 2 thru 11 are absolutely identical on both of these discs, although, interestingly enough, the 1991 disc shows slightly shorter running times throughout all of the tracks. Also, tracks 12 on both 1988 discs have different running times, although they once again sound the same. A sampling of DRs look to be the same also.

    Now, tracks 13 on both the 1988 JP CD and the 1991 US CD are "The Nearness of You." They sound different:
    - the vocals on the 1988 JP CD are wetter than on the 1991 US CD
    - the 1988 JP CD has a slight dropout in the right channel at 0:01 that's not on the 1991 US CD
    - the percussion that enters at 0:30 is louder on the 1991 US CD than on the 1988 JP CD
    - using TT DR Meter (http://www.dynamicrange.de/es/es/download), we have DR11 on the 1988 JP CD; DR13 on the 1991 US CD. However, I can't vouch for how accurate this program is.

    Different mixes for "The Nearness of You," though, yes? Is this a new one (for us, anyway) on the Japanese CD? Or is it simply the original stereo mix of the song, as initially released on the 1962 Sinatra Sings...Of Love and Things LP? I will send samples to the usual suspects, of course, for their thoughts.
     
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  9. MMM

    MMM Forum Hall Of Fame

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    Likely "Nearness" is the original stereo mix...I don't *think* it was ever remixed until it was used for a bonus track on the '91 CD of the album.
     
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  10. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

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    The "running times" or lengths in the EAC reports include the post-track gaps. Since track 12 is last on the 1988 US CD, it has no following gap. That is why it appears longer on the 13-track Japan CD. The 1991 US CD has slightly different gap times. To determine absolutely if tracks are identical, you need to do a binary compare of the digital data in the .wav files (EAC can do this for you), but I would bet that tracks 2 thru 12 are the same on all three discs, except for the silent gaps at the ends.

    BTW, the date of the Japanese CD is 1989 not 1988. I've seen multiple Japan websites which specify February 1, 1989. The OBI strip, if you have one, should confirm this. Those usually show the release date in year-month-day format (e.g. 89-2-1).
     
  11. mahanusafa02

    mahanusafa02 Forum Resident

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    The OBI has no dates other than 1960, but the insert, back cover, and disc itself show 1988, although I knew (but forgot) that the disc was actually released in early 1989.
     
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  12. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

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    BTW, I'm currently reading James Kaplan's new 'Sinatra: The Chairman', and he gets it wrong when he claims (p. 323) that after the recording of "Nice 'n' Easy" the following month...
    As we know from this discussion, "The Nearness of You" was restored to the 1989 Japan CD reissue. Also, it's been assumed by some that 'The Nearness of You' was the intended album title, but I don't think I've ever seen official confirmation of that. Will Friedwald states ('Sinatra! The Song Is You', p. 256): "Nobody remembers what the original title for the project was..."
     
  13. Ronald Sarbo

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    I believe Arnold Shaw wrote that Sinatra really wanted to call the album "Songs I Want To Stop Columbia From Reissuing"....and that probably was the "concept" of the album as well as the "concept" of "Sinatra's Swinging Session".

    Sinatra was no doubt saving any "new" material he had in mind for Reprise.

    "The Nearness Of You" however did have a history at Capitol records. Bob Manning recorded it on Capitol and no less than the it's composer Hoagy Carmichael called Manning's record the greatest recording made of the song.

    Manning's idol Dick Haymes included "The Nearness Of You" on his Capitol LP "Rain Or Shine" and delivered another of his great ballad performances. Whether or not Capitol was thinking along those lines when they decided to drop it from "Nice And Easy" is open to question but they may have thought that of the 12 songs it was not as strongly devoted to Sinatra as the others.
     
  14. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    Vern Yocum's lead vocal sheet for Nice 'n' Easy, on display at the Grammy Museum in Los Angeles:
    SinatraNicenEasyLeadSheet.jpg
     
  15. marmil

    marmil It's such a long story...

    Is there more than 1 MoFi Nice ' n' Easy LP?
     
  16. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    Yes, both stereo.
     
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  17. DLant

    DLant The Upstate Gort Staff

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    Do you suppose that we'll see a UMe reissue on vinyl of this album?

    What tapes will they use?

    I feel that the MoFi gold CD had a lot of reverb on it.


    I'm assuming they will be reissuing nearly all of Sinatra's albums.
     
  18. marmil

    marmil It's such a long story...

    Just got the 2002 version of the LP and it's pretty wonderful. I really have to stop buying records...
     
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  19. paulmock

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    Weren't the final few LP's recorded on Capitol dictated by Capitol management as to what Mr. S would sing? I remember reading somewhere that he was complaining to someone about having to sing "Paper Doll" and "I've Heard That Song Before" saying he couldn't believe they were making him sing that "s&%t".
     
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  20. teag

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    Love the album but wish it had less echo on the vocals.
     
  21. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

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  23. Ronald Sarbo

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    I believe the separation agreement with Capitol only dictated the number of albums and singles Sinatra was to record to fulfill the contract. Capitol enforced the terms in 1962 when it made Sinatra give them one more recording: "I Got A Right To Sing The Blues".

    Sinatra would never have agreed to have Capitol dictate WHAT he would sing. Mickey Rudin was too shrewd a lawyer.
     
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  24. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

    Also, I just cannot imagine any producer, executive, etc., thinking that the best way to play that hand would be to paint Frank into a musical corner against his will. Sure, you could force Frank, under contract, to sing, "Mama Will Still Bark," a sequel to the earlier song, but what kind of a performance would you get? There was an element of "I'm phoning this in" on the last couple of Capitol albums, but it was largely kept under control, and Capitol knew that their best bet was to keep Frank "happy under the circumstances," get as good a set of songs as they could out of him, and let him go. To push would have been disastrous, I think, and they knew that.
     
  25. DLant

    DLant The Upstate Gort Staff

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    Just came home with a beautiful stereo copy of Nice 'n' Easy.

    Looking forward to cleaning it and playing it later.
     
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