Sinatra - Jobim Complete Reprise Recordings

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  1. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff Thread Starter

  2. PhilBorder

    PhilBorder Senior Member

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    I'll believe this after I actually see and hear it. And maybe not even then. Why has such a cosmically important recording gotten so little attention?
     
  3. wave

    wave Forum Resident

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    Thank you for starting this thread, Matt.

    While we're waiting for this release, it would be appreciated if anyone (Bob?) could contribute information, articles or pictures relating to Sinatra and Jobim's 1967/1969 collaborations.

    I'll start with a few pictures I found online:
     

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  5. wave

    wave Forum Resident

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    A few more pics:
     

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  6. wave

    wave Forum Resident

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    The exceedingly rare, recalled 8-track (1969):
     

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  7. DJ WILBUR

    DJ WILBUR The Cappuccino Kid

    why was the 8 track recalled?
     
  8. RKMiller

    RKMiller Forum Resident

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    SINATRA/JOBIM: THE COMPLETE REPRISE RECORDINGS
    1. The Girl from Ipanema
    2. Dindi
    3. Change Partners
    4. Quiet Nights of Quiet Stars
    5. Meditation
    6. If You Never Come to Me
    7. How Insensitive
    8.I Concentrate on You
    9. Baubles, Bangles and Beads
    10. Once I Loved
    11. The Song of the Sabia
    12.Drinking Water
    13. Someone to Light Up My Life
    14. Triste
    15. This Happy Madness
    16. One Note Samba
    17. Don’t Ever Go Away
    18. Wave
    19. Off Key
    20. Bonita
     
  9. wave

    wave Forum Resident

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    I've heard several different reasons, but was never convinced by any of them. Here's a little more on the 8-track: http://www.8trackheaven.com/sinatra.html
     
  10. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

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    It doesn't come out for another five weeks. Release date is May 4th. It received attention in the earlier thread here (starting with post #448), and on the Sinatra Family Forum, where it was first announced two months ago:

     
  11. wave

    wave Forum Resident

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    Recording dates (from Ed O'Brien and Scott P. Sayers Jr.'s SINATRA: The Man and His Music):

    1967

    January 30: Baubles, Bangles and Beads / I Concentrate On You / Dindi / Change Partners / If You Never Come To Me (no final master)
    January 31: Quiet Nights Of Quiet Stars / If You Never Come To Me / The Girl From Impanema / Meditation
    February 1*: Once I Loved / How Insensitive
    *Something Stupid and Drinking Again were also recorded at this session

    1969

    February 11: One Note Samba / Don't Ever Go Away / Wave / Bonita
    February 12: Someone To Light Up My Life / Desafinado / Drinking Water / Bonita
    February 13: Song Of The Sabia / This Happy Madness / Triste
     
  12. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

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    According to the short explanation in Sinatra Treasures by Charles Pignone (which contains the Greyhound Bus artwork):

     
  13. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

    So now Frank's concerns are being ignored? I don't feel comfortable with THAT.

    On a happier note, SOMETHING STUPID (a fun duet with daughter Nancy) and DRINKIN' AGAIN are two great songs. The first went to number one on the pop charts, the second a classic "drinking" song. Both recorded at the same session as ONCE I LOVED and HOW INSENSITIVE. Now THAT was a good day in the studio.
     
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  14. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

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    Well, seven of the ten songs on the withdrawn 1969 album were later issued on one side of the 1971 LP, SINATRA & COMPANY. The other three tracks appeared on official releases during Sinatra's lifetime, presumably with his knowledge and approval.
     
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  15. wave

    wave Forum Resident

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    Bonita, Song Of The Sabia and Desafinado. Three great songs!
     
  16. Todd E

    Todd E Forum Resident

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    Steve, you are well aware of the respect for the artist's wishes once said artist is out of the way and the work is in the hands of the estate.

    For that matter, this forum often features discussions by people who want everything out, when that was clearly not the artist's intent. And that's not even getting into the area of presumably artist-approved mastering, artwork, etc..

    All things considered, I think the Sinatra family is handling things pretty tastefully.
     
  17. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

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    Cover photo, by Ed Thrasher, for the unreleased album (from MPTV Images):

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  18. Steve Hoffman

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    That's good. Guess he got over what it was he was upset about.
     
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  19. zebop

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  20. MMM

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    The interesting thing is one of the songs from the 2nd album, "Song of the Sabia", came out on a single a good bit before the SINATRA & CO. album. That had 7 other songs from these sessions, all on its side one. "Bonita" came out later in the '70's, but not in the U.S. That left "Desafinado" as the only song from the sessions unreleased for a long time - until the 1995 "Complete" Sinatra/Reprise 20CD box.
     
  21. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

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    Both songs involved personnel changes. The Western Recorders session was split into two parts. Union contracts describe it as two sessions.

    From 8 to 10:30 p.m., the ork was conducted by Claus Ogerman. "Once I Loved" and "How Insensitive" were recorded first. Then, Jobim and his percussionist Dom Um Romão stepped out during the recording of "Drinking Again," which was not intended for the Sinatra/Jobim album.

    From 10:30 p.m. to midnight, Billy Strange took over the baton for "Somethin' Stupid" with daughter Nancy.

    BTW, Glen Campbell received guitar credits in both sessions that evening.
     
  22. Bob F

    Bob F Senior Member

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    No, it did not contain "Off Key" ("Desafinado"). Sinatra specifically denied that track to Brazilian producer Roberto Quartin. Quartin substituted "A Day in the Life of a Fool" ("Manhã de Carnaval"), a Don Costa arrangement recorded a week after the Jobim-Deodato sessions.
     
  23. zebop

    zebop Well Known Stranger

    Yep, you're right. Where I "found" it, it came from somewhere else entirely....
     
  24. RKMiller

    RKMiller Forum Resident

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    However, this release also includes Drinking Again which is not a Sinatra/Jobim song. It was recorded the same day as a Sinatra/Jobim session but does not feature Jobim on the recording.
     
  25. zebop

    zebop Well Known Stranger

    Well that's weird. Turns out I don't have that 1979 album but the tracks from the two sessions. Drinking Again's on "Sinatra and Company" and I do have that somewhere...
     
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