Smashing Pumpkins' classic line up recording a new album & tour*

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by ponkine, Nov 14, 2017.

  1. tkl7

    tkl7 Agent Provocateur

    New York, NY, USA
    I guarantee the Beastie Boys would not have been playing the side stage, even if it existed in 1991. In fact, I don't think the side stage became a fixture until the second tour.
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  2. DHamilton

    DHamilton Well-Known Member

    Not true, legacy was ruined with Zeitgeist and everything after that, IMO of course.
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  3. marblesmike

    marblesmike Forum Resident

    Philadelphia, PA
    I didn't like Zeitgeist, but there were about half of the Teargarden and Oceania songs that I really like. And the album that came out after Oceania was pretty strong too. And Ogilala is a pretty solid acoustic album.

    But yeah, matter of taste.
  4. Orthogonian Blues

    Orthogonian Blues Forum Resident

    London, UK
    Try as I might, I just haven't been able to dig anything Billy has done since Zwan, except for some of Zeitgeist and some of Teargarden.

    And given his, and Rick Rubin's recent track record on the mastering of their products, I fear the new record will end up being Mellon Clippy and the Infinite Clipping.

    Despite everything, I am pleased that Billy is still getting up everybody's noses after all these years.
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  5. ponkine

    ponkine Forum Resident Thread Starter

    With the 'Aeroplane Flies High' they had enough material for at least 4 ALBUMS LONG

    Simply astonishing. Just insane!

  6. Aftermath

    Aftermath Senior Member

    Smashing Pumpkins Explain D'arcy Absence Ahead of Rumored Reunion

    "In reuniting the Smashing Pumpkins, the band's dedication remains to its fans and its music. To that, James Iha, Jimmy Chamberlin, and William Corgan haven't played a show with D'arcy Wretzky for over 18 years. But it's not for a lack of trying. For despite reports, Ms. Wretzky has repeatedly been invited out to play with the group, participate in demo sessions, or at the very least, meet face-to-face, and in each and every instance she always deferred. We wish her all the best, and look forward to reconnecting with you all very soon."
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2018
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  7. motionoftheocean

    motionoftheocean Forum Resident

    New York, NY
    pretty epic non-statement from Goth Charlie Brown and co.
  8. RichC

    RichC Forum Resident

    No evidence of it.
  9. Edwin Hawley

    Edwin Hawley Forum Resident

    Okobojo, SD
    Show some respect to Lord Voldemort.
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  10. BDC

    BDC Forum Resident

    Damn "Goth Charlie Brown" nails Corgan.... Has the been out there, or your creation?
    If so props.....
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  11. motionoftheocean

    motionoftheocean Forum Resident

    New York, NY
    it's mine, but not too much of a stretch, I think.
  12. amoergosum

    amoergosum Forum Resident

    "Original Smashing Pumpkins bassist D’arcy has sent Alternative Nation the following text message conversations she had with Billy Corgan in January, including his pitch to involve her as a guest like Steven Adler on Guns N’ Roses’ Not In This Lifetime tour.

    Alternative Nation will be publishing the first in-depth interview with D’arcy in the last 20 years within the next day. We also have an open offer to Billy Corgan, James Iha, and Jimmy Chamberlin to share their side of the story."

    Smashing Pumpkins' D'arcy Shares Billy Corgan's 'Guns N' Roses' Reunion Offer
  13. Agent 34

    Agent 34 Well-Known Member

    I’m not sure what she intended to achieve by sharing those messages but to me it reads like she messed up.

    However, it is now apparent that this was never intended as a proper reunion, merely a continuation of the previous incarnation. The band is Billy, Jimmy and Jeff, with James and D’arcy being offered the same deal to turn up and do as much or little as they want.
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  14. vinyl diehard

    vinyl diehard Two-Channel Forever

    Funny. For a guy that was bent on ending SP not so long ago, Billy can't help returning to them.
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  15. Orthogonian Blues

    Orthogonian Blues Forum Resident

    London, UK
    The Steven Adler comparison is valid up to a point - like him, D'Arcy now seems intent on burning whatever bridges may have been rebuilt in recent years.

    On the other hand Steven, for all his limitations, was an integral part on the GnR sound. Can the same be said about D'Arcy's role in the Pumpkins? The jury is out.
  16. RelayerNJ

    RelayerNJ Forum Resident

    Whippany, NJ
    To me, this reads like, "well you probably haven't picked up the bass in 19 years, and the 'massive pressure' of this tour might conflict with your history of drug problems, but I'm still reaching out as the nice guy I am."
  17. Vern

    Vern Forum Resident

    Er, I read through all those text messages, and BC really seemed to try and make it work... He hardly came across as some sort of this-is-my-band *******.
  18. amoergosum

    amoergosum Forum Resident

  19. DrBeatle

    DrBeatle The Rock and Roll Chemist

    Midwest via Boston
    Agreed. Zeitgeist was mostly awful, but the stuff that came after has actually been pretty damn good. Nothing will touch the original run of albums & singles, but I for one am excited by this reunion. I've been a massive fan of the band since the early 1990s so to still have them making music is good enough for me.
  20. brownsound2112

    brownsound2112 Forum Resident

    I’m disappointed that Corgan never promoted his solo record with more touring overseas...listened to it again last’s his best work since Melon collie in my humble.
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  21. Almost Simon

    Almost Simon Forum Resident

    Its a mad amount of quality product in 5 odd years during the early 90's. And there' still plenty of extra's out there, sessions etc.

    Mellon Collie is a stunner, yes, it would be better with 4 or 5 songs less but I wouldn't change it one bit.

    Looking forward to a UK tour. Yes, would be lovely to have D'arcy there but i'll take the 3 of them. 18 years since I last saw them. One more time is needed.
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  22. marblesmike

    marblesmike Forum Resident

    Philadelphia, PA
    Rumor has it that WPC has mellowed out a lot since becoming a father. I'm not as much of a Corgan basher as many seem to be, but I give him credit for saying what he thinks over the years instead of kowtowing to the politics of the industry.

    As for D'arcy, I haven't read the texts yet but I know I'd be leery of launching a multi-million dollar new album/tour cycle dependent on someone who has a history of drug abuse and mental illness. Sure I'd like her to contribute to the new band/album but I've hardly missed her playing/sound.
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  23. marblesmike

    marblesmike Forum Resident

    Philadelphia, PA
    Consistent songwriting across the board.
  24. Devotional

    Devotional Forum Resident

    Oslo, Norway
    Has there ever been a publicly messier "reunion" at any point in documented history? This is playing out like the social media version of the Crass Journal.
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  25. deadbirdie

    deadbirdie Forum Resident

    Chicago, IL
    What a beautiful mess this has all been! I really hope the new album is amazing.

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