Star Wars: Rogue One [Now with GIANT SPOILERS, so beware!]

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by Encuentro, Apr 19, 2015.

  1. will_b_free

    will_b_free Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it has already been established that I haven't been to Mexico.

    But here, this screenwriter makes a fine argument for why Rogue One falls flat:

     
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  2. Deesky

    Deesky Forum Resident

    That's a really wonderful and erudite summation of the film's flaws - agree 100%. The other big difference between the two films compared, is that TFA has an instantly charismatic protagonist while R1 does not (in the least).
     
  3. Jrr

    Jrr Forum Resident

    I didn't really enjoy it the first time. Maybe I was expecting something different. I just watched it again on dvd after seeing it at the theater. I enjoyed it immensely this time. I'm really glad that I gave it another shot and it now sits proudly among my complete collection of other Star Wars films. You should definitely give it another shot. I enjoyed your analytical analysis of the film, and one can't help it of some elements cause you to roll your eyes and not enjoy it. It is what it is. But, just a reminder. It is often beneficial to simply leave your brain at the door and just sit back and try to just enjoy it. Probably not beneficial to analyze any of those films. Better to just sit and enjoy imo. But loved your post!
     
  4. RK2249

    RK2249 Forum Resident

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    I really, really liked this film (also thought TFA was just meh)

    Anyway, I have a question...if Bail Organa was returning to Alderaan to send Leia on her mission to find Obi-Wan, why was she on the blockade runner (which in turn was inside the main Rebel ship) during the final battle instead of on her way to Tattooine?
     
  5. Deesky

    Deesky Forum Resident

    It's a sad indictment of a move that in order to enjoy it you have to perform a self-lobotomy first! I could never understand such arguments.
     
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  6. MikeJedi

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    Loved Rogue One ! ;)
     
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  7. metal134

    metal134 Well-Known Member

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    I sort of lean towards this as well. While I certainly get the appeal of the “just turn your brain off and have fun” mentality, and wouldn’t presume to scoff at those who enjoy that, it’s just something that’s really hard for me. I like having to use my brain when watching a movie or reading a book. I’m constantly thinking and analyzing what I’m experiencing and my brain tends to get bored if there’s nothing for it to do, as it were. That’s why I tend to find summer movies boring.
     
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  8. Deesky

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    Ditto!
     
  9. DLeet

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    I place rogue one above TFA and 4th episode easily. It took time to start running at a proper pace but what a finale. Final battle and its grewsome aftermath almost made me tear up. The film is nuch more essential to me than TFA. I haven't watched TLJ, but I don't have high hopes for it... Rogue one, imo, managed to tap into the spirit of OT, took the best from it and combined with visual possibilities of prequel trilogy. Say what u will bit the final battle in rogue is way better than at the end of tfa.
     
  10. antonkk

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    I fully agree. Rogue one is the only true artistic success since the OT.
     
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  11. RK2249

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    I really don't get the negativity towards this film. even excluding the final battle scene which is absolutely epic. I think the story was fantastic and it actually carried some weight without all the stupid humor that the prequels and even Return of the Jedi had. I think the story was well-paced, the characters were interesting and it was in my opinion the most emotional Star Wars film.

    TFA was just a rehash of the original that paled by miles compared to that film. Kylo Ren is about as menacing as an Ewok, Poe is a bore, and aside from Rey, the new characters are bland and forced to spit out bland dialogue. Rogue One suffered from none of these things. Granted without the Star Wars mythos Rogue One wouldn't carry as much weight but even as a standalone film I think it's excellent. I've watched it twice now and each time walked away thinking this is now my go-to Star Wars film (as I've seen the original trilogy umpteen times.

    So does anyone have an answer to the question I asked above?
     
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  12. bferr1

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    One of the things that bugs me about Rogue One is the existence of the Rebel fleet at this point in time. I don't read the novels and comics, or play the video games, so I don't know if this is a consistent fact throughout. But to my mind, I always thought their victory at the Battle of Yavin proved the Rebels could take on the Empire and win, which encouraged different factions to group together and form an Alliance. Having a Rebel fleet present at the Battle of Scarif contradicts that assumption and raises the question, where the heck was the fleet at the end of A New Hope?
     
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  13. bferr1

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    Bail Organa was returning to Alderaan to inform his people there would be no peace. He wasn't going back there to send Leia on a mission.
     
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  14. ianuaditis

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    At the beginning of the first film Darth Vader says to Leia 'you are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor,' so it must have existed at least as a concept, if not an actual fleet.

    In the Rebels animated series (which is considered the official canon account, at least for now,) the existence of a Rebel fleet is implied a few years before the Battle of Yavin. (the Imperials keep trying to get the location of it out of the Rebel cell in the show, but their only contact is a secret agent only their captain has spoken to.) It's explicitly stated that the 'larger Rebellion' begins near the end of season 3 (~ 2 years before the battle of Yavin) when Mon Mothma announces her resignation from the Senate, and they depict the various cells coming together with their ships to form the Rebel Alliance. (But the participation of the Organas was still a secret.)

    Throughout the series, the Rebel fleet and the various rebel squadrons rarely stand and fight with the Empire. The one time there is a pitched battle the fleet (such as it exists at that time) is decimated and almost totally destroyed.

    I've often wondered where was the Imperial fleet at the Battle of Yavin? I suppose the rebel fleet may have been off somewhere as a diversion, or was Tarkin so confident in the power of his technological terror that he assumed he didn't need his Star Destroyers? It could simply have been that the Rebel fleet was evacuated because they did say that their larger ships would be useless against the Death Star.
     
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  15. bferr1

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    Thanks! That clears up that contradiction for me. I had forgotten the Vader line from A New Hope, and it looks like I need to brush up on Rebels!
     
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  16. RK2249

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    Yes but then Mon Mothma says to him that he needs to get his Jedi friend involved and to send someone he trusts and he says he's sending someone that he trusts with his life, clearly Leia. so he was going back to Alderaan to warn the people and also to send Leia to get Kenobi.
     
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  17. RK2249

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    what you said but also the fact that most of the fleet got destroyed at that battle before the Battle of Yavin.
     
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  18. RK2249

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    I'm also not defending this movie blindly. if someone has issues with the movie itself and how it's structured or the direction or the script or whatever I'm interested in hearing your take on it. I just happen to think it was very well done...and not just for a Star Wars movie.
     
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  19. bferr1

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    I think you're conflating those two. He's sending Leia to Tatooine to get Obi-Wan AND he's going back to Alderaan to warn them.
     
  20. Encuentro

    Encuentro Forum Resident Thread Starter

    It's been awhile since I've seen the film, so I don't have a definitive answer, but her ship, the Tantive IV, was in the belly of another ship. Perhaps that ship was redirected when it was discovered what Jyn and company were up to. I don't remember the order of events. Were Jyn and company's plans discovered after Bail said he would send her to Tatooine?
     
  21. Jrr

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    Well, my wife would agree with both of you wholeheartedly. However, as they continue to dummy down this stuff so that movies can play in all countries, I don't know how much choice we really have. And I wasn't implying anyone should do that for a drama, etc, but for these tentpole "fun" event films, well, sometimes it can't hurt!
     
  22. RK2249

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    I thought that was what I said. If it wasn't, it's what I meant.

    Still doesn't answer why Leia is in the Tantive IV which is in the belly of the lead rebel ship instead of on her way to Tattooine.
     
  23. RK2249

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    No to my knowledge. That was the lead ship that specifically went to fight (against orders) with the Tantive IV carrying Leia tucked in her belly for some reason.
     
  24. RK2249

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    So here's an explanation to what I asked above. It also answers how R2-D2 and C-3PO ended up on the Tantive IV when they're clearly seen on the Yavin base earlier.

    It still makes no sense to me though. Raddus (aboard the Rebel command ship) was going to escort Leia (aboard the Tantive IV) to Tattooine to get Obi-Wan Kenobi. The command ship decides (understandably) to go to the Battle of Scarif instead. But why would it bring Leia (and the Tantive IV, tucked into its belly) into battle instead of just launching the ship and letting it go, unescorted, to Tattooine? It's not like they even launched the Tantive IV to help with the fight...it just sat inside the command ship with Leia aboard. So I don't really buy the explanation. When I first saw the film, I thought the blockade runner that escaped from the battle with the plans was a different one than the Tantive IV and that it transmitted the plans to the Tantive IV later on. This would've made more sense (including explaining Leia's BS explanation to Vader at the beginning of ANH). Oh well...I guess Leia's appearance in RO was more important to the writers.
     
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  25. metal134

    metal134 Well-Known Member

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    Well, this is the reason I go to maybe 2 movies a year these days, if that. But I have nearly 300 Blu Rays and still ton of things on Film Struck I want to see, so it’s not as if I’m hurting for movie options.
     

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