Steely Dan CDs Different Masterings: Gaucho

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  1. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Nieuwerkerk a/d IJssel, The Netherlands
    Let's move on to the last one. The CDs I have all feature different masterings:

    Mastering 1:
    98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8

    MCA Remaster 2000 (made in EU) 112055-2 LC01056 / Matrix: 00088 112 055-2 01+51082250

    Mastering 2:
    90.2/89.4/89.0/89.4/89.4/92.2/89.7

    MCA CD layer of SACD 2003 (made in EU) 0602498605103 / Matrix: VS024-L1 06024 986051-0

    Mastering 3:
    91.5/86.4/90.0/83.0/81.7/84.0/82.9

    MCA 1984 USA CD MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 / Matrix: 11340-I5-9274-1-M

    Mastering 4:
    89.1/80.6/87.1/83.9/82.2/89.1/82.0

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD410981 Y3C1C MFD BY JVC
     
    mdekoning, Oct 6, 2008
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  2. Gary Freed

    Gary Freed Forum Resident

    The MFSL gold has many fans too.
     
    Gary Freed, Oct 6, 2008
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  3. Black Elk

    Black Elk Music Lover

    Location:
    Bay Area, U.S.A.
    This matches my US-made disc with cat. no. B0000868-36 and matrix S28510-C 3 (someone with better eyes may see this slightly differently, if so, trust them!).

    Hmmm! This does not match my copy:

    MCA (C) 1980, 1984 Made In USA MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 (no barcode)
    Matrix: MCAD-37220-3RE 1C1I MFD BY JVC (the 1I is scratched in the disc, it could be a / instead of an I)
    EAC: 96.9 % - 88.0 % - 94.9 % - 92.7 % - 92.1 % - 95.2 % - 90.4 %


    And here's one more:

    MCA (C) 1980 Made In England MCLD 19146 (on artwork)/DMCL 1814 (on disc)
    Matrix: DMCL 1814 . MASTERED BY NIMBUS
    EAC: 75.9 % - 70.8 % - 79.3 % - 78.8 % - 77.9 % - 83.0 % - 83.1 %
     
    Black Elk, Oct 6, 2008
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  4. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Nieuwerkerk a/d IJssel, The Netherlands
    An update, that's already 6 different masterings:

    Mastering 1:
    98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8

    MCA Remaster 2000 (made in EU) 112055-2 LC01056 / Matrix: 00088 112 055-2 01+51082250

    Mastering 2:
    90.2/89.4/89.0/89.4/89.4/92.2/89.7

    MCA CD layer of SACD 2003 (made in EU) 0602498605103 / Matrix: VS024-L1 06024 986051-0
    MCA CD layer of SACD 2003 (made in US) B0000868-36 / Matrix: S28510-C 3

    Mastering 3:
    91.5/86.4/90.0/83.0/81.7/84.0/82.9

    MCA 1984 USA CD MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 / Matrix: 11340-I5-9274-1-M

    Mastering 4:
    89.1/80.6/87.1/83.9/82.2/89.1/82.0

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD410981 Y3C1C MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 5:
    96.9/88.0/94.9/92.7/92.1/95.2/90.4

    MCA 1984 USA CD MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 / Matrix: MCAD-37220-3RE 1C1I MFD BY JVC (the 1I is scratched in the disc, it could be a / instead of an I)

    Mastering 6:
    75.9/70.8/79.3/78.8/77.9/83.0/83.1

    MCA 198? UK CD MCLD 19146 (on artwork) DMCL 1814 (on disc) / Matrix: DMCL 1814 . MASTERED BY NIMBUS
     
    mdekoning, Oct 6, 2008
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  5. Antares

    Antares Forum Resident

    Location:
    Flanders
    Going by my Russian pressing (which probably doesn't count :D), this would be:

    96.9/88.0/94.9/97.7/92.1/95.2/90.4

    Can you verify this, Black Elk?
     
    Antares, Oct 13, 2008
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  6. Black Elk

    Black Elk Music Lover

    Location:
    Bay Area, U.S.A.
    From my log file:

    Track 4

    Peak level 92.7 %
    Track quality 100.0 %
    Copy CRC 6498DE69
    Copy OK
     
    Black Elk, Oct 13, 2008
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  7. Antares

    Antares Forum Resident

    Location:
    Flanders
    Thank you! I re-ripped with two different drives and it's 97.7 each time. Either there's a problem with my disc or there's an unknown source for this "black market" copy. All other tracks match yours.

    Code:
    Track  4

     Peak level 97.7 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Copy CRC 9B6F3890
     Copy OK
     
    Antares, Oct 13, 2008
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  8. Slipperman87

    Slipperman87 Active Member

    Location:
    Fremont, California
    does anyone have the EAC for a made in japan copy?
     
    Slipperman87, Oct 25, 2008
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  9. PaulT

    PaulT Spuzzum

    Location:
    B.C., Canada
    I have what must be a Japan for USA

    All inserts are MCA US MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 but the CD has:

    MCAD-37220 'Manufactured in Japan for MCA' on the front.
    Matrix is MCAD 37220 2 S3E21

    81.2/74.7/82.8/83.7/82.4/85.7/91.2

    Just for fun
    MFSL UDCD 545 Japan

    79.2/78.3/78.0/79.4/77.8/78.7/77.3
     
    PaulT, Oct 25, 2008
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  10. Baba Oh Really

    Baba Oh Really Certified "Forum Favorite"

    Location:
    mid west, USA

    Funny, I just saw the 2000 version for $2 today. Should I have bought it?
     
    Baba Oh Really, Oct 25, 2008
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  11. LesPaul666

    LesPaul666 Mr Markie - The Rock And Roll Snarkie

    Location:
    New Jersey

    If you think it's worth 2 bucks. It really is the 'worst', IMHO.:agree:
     
    LesPaul666, Oct 26, 2008
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  12. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

    Location:
    B.C.
    81.2/74.7/82.8/83.7/82.4/85.7/91.2

    MCA 1986 made in Japan for Japan 32XD-394 / Matrix: 32XD-394 11A3 +++++
     
    Dave, Oct 26, 2008
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  13. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

    Location:
    B.C.
    I guess mine in the previous post is mastering 7 and unique after all.
     
    Dave, Oct 26, 2008
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  14. PaulT

    PaulT Spuzzum

    Location:
    B.C., Canada
    Yes, looks the same as the Japan for US I posted a couple back.
     
    PaulT, Oct 26, 2008
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  15. John Carsell

    John Carsell Forum Resident

    Location:
    Northwest Illinois
    Agreed.

    Harsh best describes it.

    Nowhere near the original vinyl or the SACD.
     
    John Carsell, Oct 26, 2008
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  16. Capt Fongsby

    Capt Fongsby Music is the best. ... And cats.

    Location:
    Norway
    I have an Austrian made Gaucho with what you refer to as mastering 3:

    91.5 / 86.4 / 90.0 / 83.0 / 81.7 / 84.0 / 82.9

    MCA Records MCD 01814/DMCL 1814 Made in Austria
    matrix: MCD-01814 13 B3 MASTERED BY DADC AUSTRIA

    Sounds great, btw.
     
    Capt Fongsby, Oct 26, 2008
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  17. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Nieuwerkerk a/d IJssel, The Netherlands
    Here's an update. That makes as many as 9 different masterings!

    Mastering 1:
    98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8

    MCA Remaster 2000 (made in EU) 112055-2 LC01056 / Matrix: 00088 112 055-2 01+51082250

    Mastering 2:
    90.2/89.4/89.0/89.4/89.4/92.2/89.7

    MCA CD layer of SACD 2003 (made in EU) 0602498605103 / Matrix: VS024-L1 06024 986051-0
    MCA CD layer of SACD 2003 (made in US) B0000868-36 / Matrix: S28510-C 3

    Mastering 3:
    91.5/86.4/90.0/83.0/81.7/84.0/82.9

    MCA 1984 USA CD MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 / Matrix: 11340-I5-9274-1-M
    MCA Austria MCD 01814/DMCL 1814 / Matrix: MCD-01814 13 B3 MASTERED BY DADC AUSTRIA

    Mastering 4:
    89.1/80.6/87.1/83.9/82.2/89.1/82.0

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD410981 Y3C1C MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 5:
    96.9/88.0/94.9/92.7/92.1/95.2/90.4

    MCA 1984 USA CD MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 / Matrix: MCAD-37220-3RE 1C1I MFD BY JVC (the 1I is scratched in the disc, it could be a / instead of an I)

    Mastering 6:
    75.9/70.8/79.3/78.8/77.9/83.0/83.1

    MCA 198? UK CD MCLD 19146 (on artwork) DMCL 1814 (on disc) / Matrix: DMCL 1814 . MASTERED BY NIMBUS

    Mastering 7 (nearly identical to #5, except for track 4):
    96.9/88.0/94.9/97.7/92.1/95.2/90.4

    Russian pressing?

    Mastering 8:
    81.2/74.7/82.8/83.7/82.4/85.7/91.2

    MCA US MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 (artwork) MCAD-37220 'Manufactured in Japan for MCA (disc) / Matrix: MCAD 37220 2 S3E21
    MCA 1986 Japan for Japan 32XD-394 / Matrix: 32XD-394 11A3 +++++

    Mastering 9:
    79.2/78.3/78.0/79.4/77.8/78.7/77.3

    MFSL UDCD 545 Japan
     
    mdekoning, Oct 26, 2008
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  18. drbryant

    drbryant Senior Member

    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    That's a TON of masterings, but I've got one last one. This is the rare first Japan CD issue (3500 Yen), VDP-26, pressed by Victor Music. There are a number of peak values that hit 100.0, but the wave chart still shows excellent dynamics. It's cool to have, but to me, it doesn't sound quite as good as the later Japan for MCA, or the MOFI.

    Track 1 100.0
    Track 2 100.0
    Track 3 100.0
    Track 4 97.8
    Track 5 99.3
    Track 6 100.0
    Track 7 96.1
     
    drbryant, Oct 27, 2008
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  19. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

    Location:
    Beaver Stadium
    The only thing that surprises me here, and only slightly at that, are that 1 and 2 are different. I thought MCA might have been sloppy and used the 2000 remaster for the CD layer. They probably used the DSD master and converted it to PCM, as they should have. I have never listened to the CD layer, but I bet it sounds good. The SACD layer sounds great.

    It has been well documented that the original MCA, 2000, and box set issues are different masterings.

    EDIT: I just saw your most recent post. The 32XD disc interests me, as I have not listened to it critically yet. We need to confirm that the Japanese CBS/Sony pressing for the U.S. market with "DIDX-56" in the matrix code has the same mastering as the Japanese JVC pressing for the U.S. market.
     
    KeithH, Oct 27, 2008
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  20. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

    Location:
    Beaver Stadium
    I have this disc but have not yet compared it to other versions. Your observations concerning the sound to do not surprise me, as I found the VDP Aja disc to be disappointing when compared to the Japan-for-U.S. pressings and the Japanese 32XD issue.
     
    KeithH, Oct 27, 2008
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  21. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Nieuwerkerk a/d IJssel, The Netherlands
    Another update:

    Mastering 1:
    98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8

    MCA Remaster 2000 (made in EU) 112055-2 LC01056 / Matrix: 00088 112 055-2 01+51082250

    Mastering 2:
    90.2/89.4/89.0/89.4/89.4/92.2/89.7

    MCA CD layer of SACD 2003 (made in EU) 0602498605103 / Matrix: VS024-L1 06024 986051-0
    MCA CD layer of SACD 2003 (made in US) B0000868-36 / Matrix: S28510-C 3

    Mastering 3:
    91.5/86.4/90.0/83.0/81.7/84.0/82.9

    MCA 1984 USA CD MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 / Matrix: 11340-I5-9274-1-M
    MCA Austria MCD 01814/DMCL 1814 / Matrix: MCD-01814 13 B3 MASTERED BY DADC AUSTRIA

    Mastering 4:
    89.1/80.6/87.1/83.9/82.2/89.1/82.0

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD410981 Y3C1C MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 5:
    96.9/88.0/94.9/92.7/92.1/95.2/90.4

    MCA 1984 USA CD MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 / Matrix: MCAD-37220-3RE 1C1I MFD BY JVC (the 1I is scratched in the disc, it

    could be a / instead of an I)

    Mastering 6:
    75.9/70.8/79.3/78.8/77.9/83.0/83.1

    MCA 198? UK CD MCLD 19146 (on artwork) DMCL 1814 (on disc) / Matrix: DMCL 1814 . MASTERED BY NIMBUS

    Mastering 7 (nearly identical to #5, except for track 4):
    96.9/88.0/94.9/97.7/92.1/95.2/90.4

    Russian pressing?

    Mastering 8:
    81.2/74.7/82.8/83.7/82.4/85.7/91.2

    MCA US MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 (artwork) MCAD-37220 'Manufactured in Japan for MCA (disc) / Matrix: MCAD 37220 2

    S3E21
    MCA 1986 Japan for Japan 32XD-394 / Matrix: 32XD-394 11A3 +++++

    Mastering 9:
    79.2/78.3/78.0/79.4/77.8/78.7/77.3

    MFSL UDCD 545 Japan

    Mastering 10:
    100.0/100.0/100.0/97.8/99.3/100.0/96.1

    Victor Music, VDP-26
     
    mdekoning, Oct 27, 2008
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  22. Antares

    Antares Forum Resident

    Location:
    Flanders
    I can't read or type cyrillic, but will add following info:

    Matrix: JPCD 9710576 (this code also appears on the disc, directly below the Compact Disc Digital Audio logo)
     

    Attached Files:

    Antares, Oct 28, 2008
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  23. Vader67

    Vader67 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Germany
    Mastering 3

    MCA Austria MCD 01814/DMCL 1814 / Matrix: MCD-01814 13 A6 MASTERED BY DADC AUSTRIA
     
    Vader67, Oct 30, 2008
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  24. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Nieuwerkerk a/d IJssel, The Netherlands
    Another update:

    Mastering 1:
    98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8

    MCA Remaster 2000 (made in EU) 112055-2 LC01056 / Matrix: 00088 112 055-2 01+51082250

    Mastering 2:
    90.2/89.4/89.0/89.4/89.4/92.2/89.7

    MCA CD layer of SACD 2003 (made in EU) 0602498605103 / Matrix: VS024-L1 06024 986051-0
    MCA CD layer of SACD 2003 (made in US) B0000868-36 / Matrix: S28510-C 3

    Mastering 3:
    91.5/86.4/90.0/83.0/81.7/84.0/82.9

    MCA 1984 USA CD MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 / Matrix: 11340-I5-9274-1-M
    MCA Austria MCD 01814/DMCL 1814 / Matrix: MCD-01814 13 B3 MASTERED BY DADC AUSTRIA
    MCA Austria MCD 01814/DMCL 1814 / Matrix: MCD-01814 13 A6 MASTERED BY DADC AUSTRIA

    Mastering 4:
    89.1/80.6/87.1/83.9/82.2/89.1/82.0

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD410981 Y3C1C MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 5:
    96.9/88.0/94.9/92.7/92.1/95.2/90.4

    MCA 1984 USA CD MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 / Matrix: MCAD-37220-3RE 1C1I MFD BY JVC (the 1I is scratched in the disc, it could be a / instead of an I)

    Mastering 6:
    75.9/70.8/79.3/78.8/77.9/83.0/83.1

    MCA 198? UK CD MCLD 19146 (on artwork) DMCL 1814 (on disc) / Matrix: DMCL 1814 . MASTERED BY NIMBUS

    Mastering 7 (nearly identical to #5, except for track 4):
    96.9/88.0/94.9/97.7/92.1/95.2/90.4

    Russia 2132/M3-97 / Matrix: JPCD 9710576

    Mastering 8:
    81.2/74.7/82.8/83.7/82.4/85.7/91.2

    MCA US MCAD-37220 DIDX 56 (artwork) MCAD-37220 'Manufactured in Japan for MCA (disc) / Matrix: MCAD 37220 2 S3E21
    MCA 1986 Japan for Japan 32XD-394 / Matrix: 32XD-394 11A3 +++++

    Mastering 9:
    79.2/78.3/78.0/79.4/77.8/78.7/77.3

    MFSL UDCD 545 Japan

    Mastering 10:
    100.0/100.0/100.0/97.8/99.3/100.0/96.1

    Victor Music, Japan, VDP-26
     
    mdekoning, Oct 30, 2008
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  25. Slipperman87

    Slipperman87 Active Member

    Location:
    Fremont, California
    now that we have all these masterings, which is the best sounding original issue from the 80s.
    How can I tell if I am getting Mastering 3 or Mastering 7
     
    Slipperman87, Feb 24, 2009
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