Steely Dan CDs Different Masterings: Pretzel Logic

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  1. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Let's move on to the Pretzel Logic album. Here's what I have myself:

    Mastering 1:
    89.7/90.3/91.1/100.0/79.6/76.9/92.4/94.7/85.9/89.9/97.3

    MCA Remaster 1999 MCD-11917 / Matrix: 00088 111 917-2 03 / 51042997 (Made in Germany by Universal M&L)

    Mastering 2: (intro to "Rikki" missing!)
    88.6/89.2/90.0/98.8/78.7/76.1/91.4/93.6/84.9/88.9/96.2

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD 4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD 4109812 Y1D3A MFD BY JVC

    If you have a mastering already listed here please post catalog numbers and matrix numbers, if the mastering is new post EAC levels as well. If you can't post any of that don't bother to reply, the point of this thread is to identify different masterings of different pressings.
     
  2. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    This is strange. There are some very slight variations, but it looks like the 1999 remaster is a slightly louder version of the Citizen boxed set version. So far all the titles have appeared to be different.
     
  3. Black Elk

    Black Elk Music Lover

    Location:
    Bay Area, U.S.A.
    Here you go:

    MCAD-37042 DIDY-371 (CRC club edition)
    Matrix = DIDX 371 31A2
    Hub = Made in USA Digital Audio Disc Corp.

    57.7 % / 90.3 % / 81.6 % / 84.0 % / 56.9 % / 86.7 % / 87.8 % / 99.1 % / 98.5 % /88.4 % / 85.2 %
     
  4. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Thank you. Here's an updated list:

    Mastering 1:
    89.7/90.3/91.1/100.0/79.6/76.9/92.4/94.7/85.9/89.9/97.3

    MCA Remaster 1999 MCD-11917 / Matrix: 00088 111 917-2 03 / 51042997 (Made in Germany by Universal M&L)

    Mastering 2: (intro to "Rikki" missing!)
    88.6/89.2/90.0/98.8/78.7/76.1/91.4/93.6/84.9/88.9/96.2

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD 4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD 4109812 Y1D3A MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 3:
    57.7/90.3/81.6/84.0/56.9/86.7/87.8/99.1/98.5/88.4/85.2

    MCA USA MCAD-37042 DIDY-371 (CRC) / Matrix: DIDX 371 31A2
     
  5. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    There must be more. Keep posting.
     
  6. Andreas

    Andreas Senior Member

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    MCD 01781 / DMCL 1781
    Distributed by BMG Ariola
    Matrix: MCD01781 50336 173 01, Made In Germany

    90.6/90.3/81.6/84.0/56.9/86.7/87.8/99.1/98.5/88.4/85.2
     
  7. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Thank you. Here's an updated list:

    Mastering 1:
    89.7/90.3/91.1/100.0/79.6/76.9/92.4/94.7/85.9/89.9/97.3

    MCA Remaster 1999 MCD-11917 / Matrix: 00088 111 917-2 03 / 51042997 (Made in Germany by Universal M&L)

    Mastering 2: (intro to "Rikki" missing!)
    88.6/89.2/90.0/98.8/78.7/76.1/91.4/93.6/84.9/88.9/96.2

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD 4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD 4109812 Y1D3A MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 3:
    57.7/90.3/81.6/84.0/56.9/86.7/87.8/99.1/98.5/88.4/85.2

    MCA USA MCAD-37042 DIDY-371 (CRC) / Matrix: DIDX 371 31A2

    Mastering 4:
    90.6/90.3/81.6/84.0/56.9/86.7/87.8/99.1/98.5/88.4/85.2
    MCA Germany MCD 01781 / DMCL 1781 (BMG Ariola) / Matrix: MCD01781 50336 173 01, Made In Germany
     
  8. Andreas

    Andreas Senior Member

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    You noticed that masterings 3 and 4 have the exact same levels except for the first song?
     
  9. Black Elk

    Black Elk Music Lover

    Location:
    Bay Area, U.S.A.
    That's very strange, all tracks match for these two versions EXCEPT the first!
     
  10. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    First song, is that a Rikki intro included/missing thing? Please post which version do feature the intro and which don't.
     
  11. Black Elk

    Black Elk Music Lover

    Location:
    Bay Area, U.S.A.
    The version on Mastering 3 contains the intro. It is 4:35 in length, while the version on the Citizen Steely Dan, minus the intro, is only 4:08 long.
     
  12. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    An updated list:

    Mastering 1 (intro to "Rikki" included):
    89.7/90.3/91.1/100.0/79.6/76.9/92.4/94.7/85.9/89.9/97.3

    MCA Remaster 1999 MCD-11917 / Matrix: 00088 111 917-2 03 / 51042997 (Made in Germany by Universal M&L)

    Mastering 2: (intro to "Rikki" missing!)
    88.6/89.2/90.0/98.8/78.7/76.1/91.4/93.6/84.9/88.9/96.2

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD 4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD 4109812 Y1D3A MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 3 (intro to "Rikki" included):
    57.7/90.3/81.6/84.0/56.9/86.7/87.8/99.1/98.5/88.4/85.2

    MCA USA MCAD-37042 DIDY-371 (CRC) / Matrix: DIDX 371 31A2

    Mastering 4:
    90.6/90.3/81.6/84.0/56.9/86.7/87.8/99.1/98.5/88.4/85.2
    MCA Germany MCD 01781 / DMCL 1781 (BMG Ariola) / Matrix: MCD01781 50336 173 01, Made In Germany
     
  13. LesPaul666

    LesPaul666 Mr Markie - The Rock And Roll Snarkie

    Location:
    New Jersey
    My original MCA Japan For U.S. CD made by JVC is *Mastering 4*.
     
  14. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Thanks. Could you list the catalogue number and disc matrix as well, as the current info is not enough to identify a CD.
     
  15. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

  16. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Bump

    PRETZEL LOGIC

    Mastering 1 (intro to "Rikki" included):
    89.7/90.3/91.1/100.0/79.6/76.9/92.4/94.7/85.9/89.9/97.3

    MCA Remaster 1999 MCD-11917 / Matrix: 00088 111 917-2 03 / 51042997 (Made in Germany by Universal M&L)

    Mastering 2: (intro to "Rikki" missing!)
    88.6/89.2/90.0/98.8/78.7/76.1/91.4/93.6/84.9/88.9/96.2

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD 4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD 4109812 Y1D3A MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 3 (intro to "Rikki" included):
    57.7/90.3/81.6/84.0/56.9/86.7/87.8/99.1/98.5/88.4/85.2

    MCA USA MCAD-37042 DIDY-371 (CRC) / Matrix: DIDX 371 31A2

    Mastering 4:
    90.6/90.3/81.6/84.0/56.9/86.7/87.8/99.1/98.5/88.4/85.2
    MCA Germany MCD 01781 / DMCL 1781 (BMG Ariola) / Matrix: MCD01781 50336 173 01, Made In Germany
     
  17. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

  18. PaulT

    PaulT Spuzzum

    Location:
    B.C., Canada
    Mastering 4:
    90.6/90.3/81.6/84.0/56.9/86.7/87.8/99.1/98.5/88.4/85.2

    MCA USA MCAD-31165 Compact Disc/Compact Price - Plaid back / Matrix: MCAD-37042-1T 111
     
  19. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Can anybody with a mastering 4 copy confirm whether mastering 4 has the Rikki intro or not? Anyway, this is another update:

    Mastering 1 (intro to "Rikki" included):
    89.7/90.3/91.1/100.0/79.6/76.9/92.4/94.7/85.9/89.9/97.3

    MCA Remaster 1999 MCD-11917 / Matrix: 00088 111 917-2 03 / 51042997 (Made in Germany by Universal M&L)

    Mastering 2: (intro to "Rikki" missing!)
    88.6/89.2/90.0/98.8/78.7/76.1/91.4/93.6/84.9/88.9/96.2

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD 4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD 4109812 Y1D3A MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 3 (intro to "Rikki" included):
    57.7/90.3/81.6/84.0/56.9/86.7/87.8/99.1/98.5/88.4/85.2

    MCA USA MCAD-37042 DIDY-371 (CRC) / Matrix: DIDX 371 31A2

    Mastering 4 (intro to "Rikki" included):
    90.6/90.3/81.6/84.0/56.9/86.7/87.8/99.1/98.5/88.4/85.2
    MCA Germany MCD 01781 / DMCL 1781 (BMG Ariola) / Matrix: MCD01781 50336 173 01, Made In Germany
    MCA USA MCAD-31165 Compact Disc/Compact Price - Plaid back / Matrix: MCAD-37042-1T 11
     
  20. PaulT

    PaulT Spuzzum

    Location:
    B.C., Canada
    Yes it has the intro
     
  21. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Thanks for posting. That means the difference is not because of the intro.
     
  22. Vader67

    Vader67 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Germany
    Mastering 4

    MCA Germany
    250 495-2 (DIDX-371 MCAD-37042)

    CD Matrix: 250 495-2 SRC-01
     
  23. 3rd Uncle Bob

    3rd Uncle Bob Forum Resident

    OK, I have the 1999 CD MCAD 11917 with 1110514973 & IFPI 2A49 on the inner hub.
     
  24. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Here's another update:

    Mastering 1 (intro to "Rikki" included):
    89.7/90.3/91.1/100.0/79.6/76.9/92.4/94.7/85.9/89.9/97.3

    MCA Remaster 1999 MCD-11917 / Matrix: 00088 111 917-2 03 / 51042997 (Made in Germany by Universal M&L)

    Mastering 2: (intro to "Rikki" missing!)
    88.6/89.2/90.0/98.8/78.7/76.1/91.4/93.6/84.9/88.9/96.2

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD 4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD 4109812 Y1D3A MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 3 (intro to "Rikki" included):
    57.7/90.3/81.6/84.0/56.9/86.7/87.8/99.1/98.5/88.4/85.2

    MCA USA MCAD-37042 DIDY-371 (CRC) / Matrix: DIDX 371 31A2

    Mastering 4 (intro to "Rikki" included):
    90.6/90.3/81.6/84.0/56.9/86.7/87.8/99.1/98.5/88.4/85.2

    MCA Germany MCD 01781 DMCL 1781 (BMG Ariola) / Matrix: MCD01781 50336 173 01, Made In Germany
    MCA USA MCAD-31165 Compact Disc/Compact Price - Plaid back / Matrix: MCAD-37042-1T 111
    MCA Germany 250 495-2 (DIDX-371 MCAD-37042) / Matrix: 250 495-2 SRC-01
    MCA USA MCAD-31165 Compact Disc/Compact Price - Plaid back / Matrix: MCAD-37042-A3 C13
     
  25. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

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