Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by MilesSmiles, Nov 6, 2011.
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That part with Carol had already been booted on the internet and on some privately circulated but later outted CD's.
A million units was both realistic and, we now realize, overly optimistic - they were basing it on the success of Good Vibrations, a number 1 million selling record. We see how it helped the sales of Smiley Smile, right? Though to be fair, that was 8 months after GV was a hit. That was an eternity in 66-67.
"What's really interesting me is if anyone else apart from Dvakman can hear "Waving Indians behind..." in that Holidays rehearsal?"
I can hear it, very vaguely.
I actually did one of those stupid unboxing videos when it first came out
Today, The Smile Sessions entered the UK album chart at #25. Hot damn !
The two-disc version or the actual box set?
On Friday The SMiLE Sessions charted #20 in the Netherlands
I've been reading the book that came with the box, and boy is Mike's section self-serving and off-the-mark. He mentions laying on the floor, and going into the swimming pool to record -- this is Smiley Smile era stuff, not SMiLE proper!
If he could just come out and say it -- "I wanted to be the lyricist on the album, and I was jealous of VDP, and that's why I brought dissension to the process."
One mistake I've seen in the book is the quote from Carl about this matter, but it's listed as a 1994 quote, when in fact it's from An American Band in the '70's. Or, am I misremembering? I need to break out that doc -- there also need to be more hours in the day.
It's from I Just Wasn't Made For These Times.
This might sound weird but I think this CD package is probably the only music I'll be listening to from now on for- like- ever.
Yep, it's not exactly distinct. "Indians" does sound to me like an identifiable word though.
Anyone else willing to have a listen to the linked clip, I'm developing an insane theory about Holidays/Worms (the enormous original post can be found here http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=7107325&postcount=961) and I'd love to know if you (in a seasonal bent) can hear what I hear.
For those who don't have time for novels, have a listen to the first part of the linked mp3 - a "Holidays" rehearsal session with Brian playing piano in the background - and see if you hear anything like "Waving Iiiindians behind us" in what he's singing.
I just happened to be dipping into that great pillar of literary research, "Heroes And Villains" by Steven Gaines today (desperate to read anything SMiLE related until I finally get the box - I've been through all the other books already!) and noticed these Brian Wilson quotes:
"We smoked a lot of it and got into a good place with the black hash."
"We went ahead and lay on the floor recording with the microphones about a foot from the ground. We were so stoned we had to lie down. We got to the point where we thought this was the way to record. We got halfway through the album before we decided to stand up because we got sleepy."
Gaines starts the paragraph that contains these quotes by saying that the first order of business for the SMiLE album project was buying $2000 worth of cannabis. This would be a lot today, but in 1966? Well, it boggles the mind (literally).
Who knows how accurate any of the details Gaines adds are - for all I know the quotes aren't even genuine. What is clear is that the mythical notions of what actually happened during the SMiLE era were already completely ridiculous by 1986 (and probably a lot earlier).
Good to see that Mike is keeping the myth alive
[he's doing a better job of that than he is of keepin' the summer alive...]
Van Dyke and Brian keep the myth alive, more than Mike ever did or can.
I'm prone to defending Mike Love but his little essay in the Smile book is horrible and definitely self-serving. It's not that Al or Bruce wrote anything more profound but Love just can't let the past go - and he can't let his feelings about Smile go either. Kind of sad.
I don't expect him to keep the myth alive. It wasn't his thing and there's nothing wrong with that. He just doesn't need to be the downer in the room. Personally I think he should be proud of the work but I guess the bug up his butt is too big to allow that?
I am normally very reluctant to say things like this about someone I have not personally met, but he always comes across as a highly unpleasant person. You are entirely correct. After so many years, nobody would have an issue with him saying: "Back then, I thought it was the wrong approach. I wish I had been wrong, but..." This man is prisoner of his many negative feelings.
To be fair, those guys don't catalogue every second of that time period the way fans do. Wasn't it Al who said he didn't really know where the Smile sessions ended and Smiley sessions began? I think Mike could be remembering things similarly--it's all going to be somewhat of a blur to them.
And what dissension did he really bring? He wasn't the only one with reservations. Bruce described the recording sessions as "torture," but no one accuses him of revisionism in the booklet. Brian, more likely, blew whatever criticism they had out of proportion.
He brings up that past because every single Beach Boy fan does. If he let the past go, fans would talk about how his little essay completely ignored the past.
The sets been out for less than a week and we are already at part 14!
Mike Love contributed a lot to the Beach Boys sound, and as a member of the band he was within his rights to raise his concerns. He was however still 1) wrong and 2) a giant schmuck.
I first read about smile through the Paul Williams book The Beach Boys; How Deep Is The Ocean. A fantastic read but not solely about smile.
What other books would you recommend on smile?
Look! Listen! VIBRATE! SMILE! compiled by Domenic Priore
This is the place to start
The only ones *solely* about SMiLE are by Dominic Priore. Do a search.
But, I'd also recommend Bryon Priess' The Beach Boys, from the seventies. There are many, many first-hand accounts of the making of SMiLE in it.
1 - Mike was there.
2 - we weren't.
You see, I never bashed the album. I made it clear that I didn't understand and have been making an attempt to understand the album, and all of a sudden, the night sticks started swinging.
I don't have to like it just because it's such a fan favorite, or that it's the first time the original version has ever been officially released. I did not drink the kool-aid.
Again, I bought the album because I like the BB and Brian Wilson's work. I had been reading for years how great this "lost" masterpiece is, and how much better than "Pet Sounds" that it's supposed to be. I love PS, so I bought it outright. Turns out I may not like parts of it, and don't understand the concept of it. I gave my first impressions of it and the first two replies were quite civil...then the attacks from the fanboys started.
Since nowhere does it say that this thread is for fans of the album, it qualifies me to comment on it since I bought it and have been listening to it. I may keep it, I may get rid of it.
Deal with it and move on.
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