The Beatles - Capitol Albums Vol 1 & 2 v The US albums box sets.

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  1. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Briefly looking back, it seems the US mix has a slightly longer fade and is edited slightly differently.

    Beatles Capitol Cds (part 11)
     
  2. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    thanks for the additional info to a box set I have no interest in owning...: )
     
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  3. tmoore

    tmoore Forum Resident

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    Well, you aren't the only one who reads this stuff.
     
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  4. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    of course not...you read it and responded to me for no reason. I hve no control of what ppl read on the forum, but you felt the need to to comment on my post. The OP didn't as he understood my post...you did not. LOL.
     
  5. A well respected man

    A well respected man Some Mother's Son

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    I have a question, hope some of you guys can help me: I read in some thread that Capitol bought the rights to the UA A Hard Day's Night in the 70s, so they re-edited the album under the Capitol seal. My question is: did they use the true stereo mixes or was it just the same as the 64 UA album (with that strange fake stereo)?
     
  6. musicfan37

    musicfan37 Senior Member

    Same as the UA issue.
     
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  7. Chip TRG

    Chip TRG Senior Member

    Wasn't just the Beatles album. EMI bought the whole UA umbrella (which included the Imperial and Liberty archives among others).
     
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  8. Finchingfield

    Finchingfield Forum Resident

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    For what it's worth, the UA stereo LP of "A Hard Day's Night" that I bought brand new in the racks in 1975 or 76 had all the George Martin score songs in true stereo, and all The Beatles songs in true mono. No fake stuff...
     
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  9. Dinstun

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    Seems unlikely. Are you sure? If I remember, much of the "stereo" was subtle, and perhaps easy to miss.
     
  10. Chip TRG

    Chip TRG Senior Member

    Yes, it was subtle "twiddle" stereo.....aka someone playing with the balance knob in the middle of the song. It's especially noticeable on TELL ME WHY.
     
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  11. DRM

    DRM Forum Resident

    This is consistent with the multiple cassette copies I own.
     
  12. Dave112

    Dave112 Forum Resident

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    I really enjoyed my sets Vol. 1&2. These sound like The Beatles records that we heard growing up in the US back in the day. They are the best official releases of the US albums on CD. The only other CDs that offer that vintage US album sound is the unofficial Dr. Ebbetts needle drops that sound fantastic as well.
     
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  13. A well respected man

    A well respected man Some Mother's Son

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    Thank you everybody for the information. I guess that made the presence of CBML and ISHKB in the Hey Jude album worthwhile. When was the first time the song AHDN was published in true stereo in the US? The Red album in 1973 maybe?

    Well, when I said "that strange fake stereo" I meant that it's not duophonic or another simulation based on the duplication of the mono channel, it's just mono being panned occassionally and differently balanced.
     
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  14. HGN2001

    HGN2001 Mystery picture member

    The US Red Album had "A Hard Days Night" in mono.
     
  15. Chip TRG

    Chip TRG Senior Member

    Then it would probably have been REEL MUSIC which gave us the first stereo AHDN, as well as the proper edit of I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER in stereo which I don't believe we have ever gotten anywhere else.
     
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  16. Dinstun

    Dinstun Forum Resident

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    It is doubtful that UA or Capitol created an "improved" stereo album master by replacing all the fake stereo tracks with mono.

    The stereo reel to reel is the same as the stereo LP.

    I don't remember offhand, but is it possible that there was only one tape master, in "stereo", and the mono album was just folded from this?
     
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  17. slane

    slane Forum Resident

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    It's possible, I suppose.

    I haven't checked, but I would expect a mono fold to have a slight change in volume when the 'stereo' tracks pan to one side. Then again, perhaps it would be too subtle to really notice.
     
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  18. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    If you check Tell Me Why I think you’ll find the balance shifts in the call and response section.

    It’s not a proper edit. The edit doesn’t repeat the correct bar.
     
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  19. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    Same with Ticket to Ride
     
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  20. Finchingfield

    Finchingfield Forum Resident

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    Sorry for the confusion, guilty as charged. What I should have said was the George Martin songs were in true stereo, and The Beatles songs were not. Based on my mediocre stereo rig in 1975, The Beatles tracks 'sounded' like some kind of mono as opposed to the same tracks on the stereo Something New LP, thus I hardly ever played the A Hard Day's Night LP.

    So I just now pulled out the AHDN LP and my Bruce Spizer book "The Beatles Swan Song", and I concede I am hearing some kind of mono processed into a false stereo. The thing that jumped out at me most was I thought I was hearing a slight time delay between L and R, but that could be my ears getting faked out by the almost 'duophonic' slight increase in base on the L and slight increase in treble on the R. I didn't hear any of the subtle panning that is supposed to be there, but I don't contest it.

    20 lashes with a large noodle. Carry on...
     
  21. The Beave

    The Beave My Wife Is My Life! And don’t I forget it!

    Large WET Noodle?! :righton:
    Hey, I might like that! :winkgrin:

    What we really need is for Capitol to press up just Y&T, just the disc, offer it up for $5.00, Duophonic and all. No jewel case, that way we can use the cover from the U.S. album's box and put the 'real' disc and that would be that!
    Beave
     
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  22. The Beave

    The Beave My Wife Is My Life! And don’t I forget it!

    Wow, cool thread!
    Beave
     
  23. ohnothimagen

    ohnothimagen "Live music is better!"

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    Sometimes:laugh:
     
  24. goodiesguy

    goodiesguy Confide In Me

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    They were already having hit singles as early as March 63 in NZ, getting Please Please Me to #2 on the Lever Hit Parade, following that in June with a #1 From Me To You.
     
  25. A well respected man

    A well respected man Some Mother's Son

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    Wow, you guys enjoyed beatlemania from the early start :)
     
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