The Beatles - Mix variations etc.

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by sathvyre, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. sathvyre

    sathvyre formerly known as ABBAmaniac

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    I am into compiling my personal PAST MASTER VOL. 3 & 4...one in mono, disc two in stereo.
    Here is what I've got, maybe somebody out there knows what is missing ???

    MONO (DISC ONE):

    01. Please Please Me 26.11.1962 26.11.1962 Mono, dry single mix 1st press UK single release

    02. Ask Me Why 26.11.1962 26.11.1962 Mono, dry single mix 1st press UK single release

    03. You Can't Do That 25.02.1964 16.03.1964 US mono, different mix (really a different mix ???)

    04. And I Love Her 27.02.1964 03.03.1964 Mono, single-tracked vocals CAPITOL T 2018, Something New (LP USA)

    05. Long Tall Sally 01.03.1964 10.03.1964 Mono, mix with less reverb CAPITOL T 2080, Second (LP USA)

    06. I Call Your Name 02.03.1964 04.03.1964 Mono, different editing points CAPITOL T 2080, Second (LP USA)

    07. I'll Cry Instead 01.06.1964 04.06.1964 Mono, with extra verse CAPITOL T 2018, Something New (LP USA)

    08. I'll Be Back 01.06.1964 22.06.1964 Mono, different mix US Capitol T 2228 Beatles '65 1964

    09. Any Time At All 02.06.1964 22.06.1964 Mono, mix with lower piano CAPITOL T 2018, Something New (LP USA)

    10. When I Get Home 02.06.1964 22.06.1964 Mono, different double-tracked vocals CAPITOL T 2018, Something New (LP USA)

    11. She's A Woman 08.10.1964 21.10.1964 Mono, different mix US Capitol T 2228 Beatles '65 1964

    12. I Feel Fine 18.10.1964 21.10.1964 Mono, different mix US Capitol T 2228 Beatles '65 1964

    13. And Your Bird Can Sing 26.04.1966 12.05.1966 Mono, louder handclaps US Capitol T 2553, Yesterday And Today

    14. Michelle 03.11.1965 09.11.1965 Mono, first mix, louder percussion, longer fade CAPITOL T 2442, Rubber Soul (LP USA)

    15. Tomorrow Never Knows 06.04.1966 06.06.1966 Mono, original first press mix XEX 606-1 PARLOPHONE PMC 7009, Revolver (LP UK)

    16. Doctor Robert 17.04.1966 12.05.1966 Mono, first mix, longer fade out CAPITOL T 2553, Yesterday And Today (LP USA)

    17. I'm Only Sleeping 27.04.1966 12.05.1966 Mono, first mix, different backwards guitar CAPITOL T 2553, Yesterday And Today (LP USA)

    18. Penny Lane 29.12.1966 17.01.1967 Mono, with trumpet ending CAPITOL 5810, Promo Single (7" USA)

    19. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 01.03.1967 XX.XX.1967 Mono, different vocals on intro unreleased, The Lost Pepperland Reel

    20. Baby You're A Rich Man 11.05.1967 11.05.1967 Mono, untrimmed "...even" intro US Capitol 5964 later issues

    21. It's All Too Much 25.05.1967 12.10.1967 Mono, complete version commercially unreleased, taken from a bootleg CD

    22. All You Need Is Love 14.06.1967 26.06.1967 Mono, different mix, no fade out unreleased, The Lost Pepperland Reel

    23. I Am The Walrus 05.09.1967 29.09.1967 Mono, with extra beats CAPITOL 2056, Single (7" USA)

    STEREO (DISC TWO):

    01. All My Loving 30.07.1963 29.10.1963 Stereo, with hihat intro ODEON STO 83 568, With The Beatles (LP Germany)

    01. All My Loving 30.07.1963 19.12.1963 Stereo, with centered vocal 1962-1966 CD, 1993 edition

    02. Don't Bother Me 12.09.1963 29.10.1963 Stereo, with extra "Don't" by George US Capitol ST 2047 Meet The Beatles 1976 pressing (is it available on any CD ???)

    03. I Want To Hold Your Hand 17.10.1963 08.06.1965 Stereo, louder leadguitar + handclaps German Odeon SMO 83 991 Beatles Greatest

    03. I Want To Hold Your Hand 17.10.1963 21.10.1963 Stereo, first stereo mix PARLOPHONE A 8103, Single Reissue (7" Australia) (maybe the same mix as track 03 ???)

    04. Komm Gib Mir Deine Hand 29.01.1964 12.03.1964 Stereo mix US Capitol ST 2018, Something New 1964

    05. I Should Have Known Better 26.02.1964 XX.XX.1982 Stereo, different mix US Capitol SV-12199 Reel Music 1982

    06. And I Love Her 27.02.1964 22.06.1964 Stereo, extended ending German Odeon STO 83 756 Something New

    07. Long Tall Sally 01.03.1964 10.03.1964 Stereo, first mix US Capitol ST 2080, Second 1964

    08. I Call Your Name 02.03.1964 04.03.1964 Stereo, first mix US Capitol ST 2080, Second 1964

    09. She's A Woman 08.10.1964 12.10.1964 Stereo, count-in version PARLOPHONE SGE 1 (EP) (7" UK)

    10. I Feel Fine 18.10.1964 04.11.1964 Stereo, with untrimmed whispering intro APPLE PCSP 717, 1962-1966 (2LP UK)

    11. Help! 13.04.1965 18.06.1965 Stereo, with James Bond intro CAPITOL SMAS 2386, Help! (LP USA)

    12. Norwegian Wood 12.10.1965 06.12.1965 Stereo, with centered vocal Love Songs LP

    13. Day Tripper 16.10.1965 26.10.1965 Stereo, first stereo mix CAPITOL ST 2553, Yesterday And Today (LP USA)

    14. We Can Work It Out 20.10.1965 10.11.1965 Stereo, first stereo mix CAPITOL ST 2553, Yesterday And Today (LP USA)

    15. The Word 10.11.1965 11.11.1965 Stereo, first mix with double-tracked vocals CAPITOL ST 2442, Rubber Soul (LP USA)

    16. I'm Looking Through You 10.11.1965 15.11.1965 Stereo, first mix with untrimmed intro CAPITOL ST 2442, Rubber Soul (LP USA)

    17. Girl 11.11.1965 XX.XX.1977 Stereo, vocals centered in the mix UK Parlophone PCSP 721, Love Songs

    18. Paperback Writer 13.04.1966 31.10.1966 Stereo, channels reversed, back voc louder Apple SW-385, Hey Jude LP 1970

    19. Doctor Robert 17.04.1966 20.05.1966 Stereo, different mix US Capitol ST 2553, Yesterday And Today

    20. I'm Only Sleeping 27.04.1966 20.05.1966 Stereo, different mix US Capitol ST 2553, Yesterday And Today 1973 pressing

    21. Strawberry Fields Forever 29.11.1966 29.12.1966 Stereo, first mix CAPITOL SMAL 2835, Magical Mystery Tour (LP USA)

    22. Penny Lane 29.12.1966 1967/1980 Stereo, pasted trumpet ending US Rarities SHAL 12060, 1980

    23. A Day In The Life 19.01.1967 23.02.1967 Stereo, clean intro version EMI CDP 7 970 392, 1967-1970 (CD UK)

    24. I Am The Walrus 05.09.1967 XX.XX.1980 Stereo, with pasted extra beats US Capitol SHAL-12060, Rarities 1980

    25. You Know My Name (Look Up...) 1967-1969 26.11.1969 Stereo, complete version fan-made edit from Past Masters 2 + Anthology 2

    Thank you for information !!!
    Maybe I missed an essential piece ???
     
  2. BadJack

    BadJack Forum Resident

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    "Got to Get You into My Life" is the first that comes to mind, the mono and stereo each featuring different vocals at the end.
     
  3. slane

    slane Forum Resident

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    It is on the 2009 remasters though. This is for what was not included there.
     
  4. BadJack

    BadJack Forum Resident

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    Whoops. Sorry.
     
  5. sathvyre

    sathvyre formerly known as ABBAmaniac

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    @slane: You are right - I want to include only songs not released on the 2009 remasters.
     
  6. Muzyck

    Muzyck Compulsive Completist

    These are in fact different mixes. As far as I can recall, the Australia release is unique to the later 45 and the Australian "23 number Ones" LP.

    03. I Want To Hold Your Hand 17.10.1963 08.06.1965 Stereo, louder leadguitar + handclaps German Odeon SMO 83 991 Beatles Greatest

    03. I Want To Hold Your Hand 17.10.1963 21.10.1963 Stereo, first stereo mix PARLOPHONE A 8103, Single Reissue (7" Australia) (maybe the same mix as track 03 ???)
     
  7. sathvyre

    sathvyre formerly known as ABBAmaniac

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    Very interesting...but not really necessary to include both I think...
     
  8. slane

    slane Forum Resident

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    Yes, the Australian mix has the vocals on the right, the German mix is similar to the official mix with centered vocals.
     
  9. sathvyre

    sathvyre formerly known as ABBAmaniac

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    Ok. So the Australian mix is the more interesting variation I think :)
     
  10. sathvyre

    sathvyre formerly known as ABBAmaniac

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    but what about "You Can't Do That" (different US mix in mono) ??? Just compared the 2009 version with the capitol Box set version and besides a different mastering job, both sound identical to me...
     
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  11. Muzyck

    Muzyck Compulsive Completist

    :agree:
     
  12. slane

    slane Forum Resident

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    I think it was probably just a case of making 2 identical mixes one after the other, rather than making a single mix and then copying it for the US. Same levels etc, but technically a different mix. If there's room, include it anyway.
     
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  13. sathvyre

    sathvyre formerly known as ABBAmaniac

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    Yes, there will be room for that.
    I am not sure about the original single version of PPM, compared to the mono album....whilst I recognize some differences on "Ask Me Why", I think PPM sounds almost identical...
     
  14. slane

    slane Forum Resident

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    IMO, Please Please Me is a reprocessed version of the same mix, but Ask Me Why has 2 separate mixes. From here: http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/beatles/var-1962.html

    PLEASE PLEASE ME [1]
    basic recording- 26 Nov 1962
    additional recording- 26 Nov 1962
    master tape- twintrack 2d generation


    • [a] mono 26 Nov 1962. edited.
      UK: Parlophone R4983 single 1963, Parlophone PMC 1202 Please Please Me 1963.
      US: Vee Jay VJ 498 single 1963, Vee Jay VJLP 1062 Introducing second issue 1963.
      CD: EMI CDP 7 46435 2 Please Please Me 1987, EMI single 1988, EMI CDP 7 97036 2 The Beatles 1962-1966 1993.

    The five sections of harmonica are overdubs. Although it could have been done by recording harmonica into a complete second generation tape, Lewisohn, in Recording Sessions, refers to "harmonica edit pieces", and it sounds like there is an edit before the last of them. They were certainly used as edit pieces for Please Please Me [2]

    ASK ME WHY
    basic recording- 26 Nov 1962
    additional recording- none
    master tape- twintrack


    • [a] mono 26 Nov 1962.
      UK: Parlophone R4983 single 1963.
      US: Vee Jay VJ 498 single 1963.


    • mono 25 Feb 1963.
      UK: Parlophone PMC 1202 Please Please Me 1963.
      US: Vee Jay VJLP 1062 Introducing second issue 1963, Vee Jay VJ 581 single 1964.
      CD: EMI CDP 7 46435 2 Please Please Me 1987, EMI single 1988.



      [*][c] stereo 25 Feb 1963.
      UK: Parlophone PCS 3042 Please Please Me 1963.
      US: Vee Jay VJSR 1062 Introducing second issue 1963.



      [*][c1] stereo remixed from 1965, by Capitol.
      US: Capitol ST 2309 The Early 1965.



      [*][c2] mono made from [c] 1965, by Capitol.
      US: Capitol T 2309 The Early 1965.



    There is no known difference between the two mono mixes. The Vee Jay single is early enough that it must be the older mix. I assume blindly that the later mix is the one used for all subsequent appearances including the CD single, but possibly the CD single uses the older mix.
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2013
  15. sathvyre

    sathvyre formerly known as ABBAmaniac

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    Very interesting details. Thank you again !!!
     
  16. GV1967

    GV1967 Forum Resident

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    Do you mean the different intro vocals on "Lucy" = Jeremy?
     
  17. sathvyre

    sathvyre formerly known as ABBAmaniac

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  18. Lord Hawthorne

    Lord Hawthorne Currently Untitled

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    Don't forget the alternate mixes on the Magical Mystery Tour VHS and Laser Disc.
     
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  19. sathvyre

    sathvyre formerly known as ABBAmaniac

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    Of course, but as I remember, all tracks have overlaps with dialogues or any other noises...they are mono mixes ???
     
  20. Sid Hartha

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    Hmm. I thought the 2nd-state Vee Jay LP used the 'dry' 45 masters for Please Please Me / Ask Me Why.
     
  21. Dillydipper

    Dillydipper Sultan Of Snark

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    It's a laudable effort, I suppose, but what's the purpose here? To put into one recorded document the rest of the extant versions which haven't come onto CD yet?
    Or to put into one place all the variations of what Apple Corps has already determined has already christened as "canon" by anthologizing?
    Or - and here's a good reason for a comp - to assemble from documented chart action, the best of the best, in an order that beats the order of any other comp out there?
    ...because, ya gotta work pretty hard to bring something fresh to the table on that account, and if you don't...then what's the real point. :shrug:

    Not crappin' here, honest - I just want to know what the motive is.




    Now playing on Ariel Stream: Hooverphonic - Harmless Shapes
     
  22. BeatlesBop

    BeatlesBop Active Member

    MONO (DISC ONE):

    01. Please Please Me 26.11.1962 26.11.1962 Mono, dry single mix 1st press UK single release

    02. Ask Me Why 26.11.1962 26.11.1962 Mono, dry single mix 1st press UK single release



    Here's something I've never quite been clear about... You listed the A and B-sides of the 2nd UK single, but does P.S. I Love You (B-side of 1st UK single) have a dry single mix too?
     
  23. Lord Hawthorne

    Lord Hawthorne Currently Untitled

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    Stereo, mixed by Ron Furmanek, and they are complete without dialogue (except the title song, it has that John narration in the middle). They've been bootlegged.
     
  24. sathvyre

    sathvyre formerly known as ABBAmaniac

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    Very easy to explain: I want to compile all mix variations which were released on LP, single or CD around the world...no rough mixes or unreleased studio takes here. And, of course, this one is for my personal collection only. As I know, there are many Beatles experts here, so it will make things more easy, cause I don't own all the original records from other countries to compare etc.
    If you don't see any meaning in my project, it's your point of view. Most annoying comments here are always replies without really interesting informations and details, but personal statements about the sense or whatever. Thx.
     
  25. Jae

    Jae Forum Resident

    I reconciled your list against mine and suggest the following:

    I Feel Fine - German mock stereo Beatles '65 (different to US mock stereo)
    She's A Woman - German mock stereo Beatles '65 (different to US mock stereo)
    I'm Only Sleeping - US mock stereo Yesterday and Today
    And Your Bird Can Sing - US mock stereo Yesterday and Today
    I Am The Walrus - US stereo MMT
    Hey Jude - US stereo Greatest Hits short version
    Movie Medley - worldwide single 1982
     

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