The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's 50th Anniversary (Content, Sound Quality & Discussion Thread Only!)

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  1. Psychedelic Good Trip

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    Love me mono fabs. :winkgrin:


     
  2. Sgt Pepper

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    Guys, guys get over you missed the boat on this one and i was sitting in the captains chair so to speak. Envy is a strange thought process but one I can get over very quickly from those who should know better.
     
  3. Sgt Pepper

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    You can compile a tape using the original master.
     
  4. slane

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    And how would you crossfade the narration, or fade an excerpt out?

    Some tracks were the official mixes. There's no way they chopped them up to insert into the programme tape.
     
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  5. Sgt Pepper

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    I tell you what my friend contact Abbey Road and ask them, easy. Because already I have been backed up by another member here just how incredible it sounded.

    You're getting way too hung up on if these were the masters or not, I know what I and many others heard and it was something you will never experience I am afraid. So every point your trying to score is kind moot is it not?
     
  6. Morton LaBongo

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    Wow, I could die happy if I could go into the Abbey Road and listen to copies of the original tapes. I've heard of the Abbey Road Show and am aware of someone making boots from a hidden tape recorder, but I've never met someone who was actually there. Even the boots from that sounded good so the quality from the actual tape playing must have been incredible. They should do that again someday. Just a one-off "performance" and at the end they could finally play Carnival of Light so everyone could decide if they love it or hate it. But with cell phones and mini-digital recorders being widely available today it would be super difficult to prevent people from bootlegging it. And you know people would be trying...
     
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  7. Sgt Pepper

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    Wow thanks for the positive comments, I hope you can make it some day although I believe shortly after we were there the removed much of the old equipment and revamped the studios. But those speakers and tapes we listened to were incredible, it honestly felt as if they were playing and rehearsing right next to you.
     
  8. Ephi82

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    Your opinion only
     
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  9. slane

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    Isn't that true of everyone?

    Though it is a fact that the outtakes are presented much 'straighter' than the remix.

    No syncing of pre-bounce tapes, no (or very little) added effects, no 'stereo-ising' etc.
     
  10. Tommyboy

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    Agreed about the wishful thinking part.
     
  11. Tommyboy

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    That's where he's gone overboard in my opinion.
     
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  12. Morton LaBongo

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    The Sgt Pepper remix this summer was a big event and judging from the (in my opinion) mostly positive reaction from the fans, Apple may be enticed to do something like the Abbey Road Show again in advance of the (fingers crossed) upcoming White Album remix. I have heard that Abbey Road has been for the most part reconfigured in such a way that it makes access to the vintage equipment quite difficult, but they could hold it in another larger public venue like they did for the special Pepper 5.1 remix. I'm not sure why people are being so critical over this, the Abbey Road Show was a well-documented Beatle event and by all accounts the sound was amazing. A significant amount of people went to it (not sure how many though) and it stands to reason that some people who went to it would be part of this forum.
     
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  13. Tommyboy

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    The dude went to the Abbey Road Show in 1983. Cut him a break!! It is a legitimate claim. The entire show has been bootlegged. Even if the original master tapes weren't played, I'm sure it still sounded amazing to a visitor sitting in Studio Two at Abbey Road.

    Time to move on.
     
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  14. Sgt Pepper

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  15. brainwashed

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    The access would be easy enough, most of the vintage gear that they've kept is still there and in working order. I personally know of only two folks, not including staff engineers, who went to the "Show" back in the day. I did not attend. My trip was much more recent, but still awhile back. It's not surprising that the audio during the "Show" was excellent. The sounds heard at Abbey Road are truly one-of-kind and life-changing. Phenomenal deep bass and transcendent highs. Vocals seem to float in front of you. The music just doesn't sound the same at home, no matter how nice one's system is.

    The negative reviews of the remix both surprise and bother me at times. Yes, everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, but some of the complaints are just beyond the pale, IMO. I wonder if any of the naysayers have tried to remixing stuff; while needing to separate instruments and vocals from locked tracks? Did Giles and his staff go overboard trying to do this at times? Yea, but it was done with a point and goal in mind. To make the remix DIFFERENT than what is commonly available. He was given that task by Universal and Apple. He will continue to be given the job until he chooses to bow out. He WANTS to tackle the White Album. Sales and positive reaction for 2017 Pepper all point that something will be done next year for the WA. Do folks want these projects halted because not every remix or process is to their liking? I sure hope not. Ron
     
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  16. Morton LaBongo

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    I just looked this up and The Beatles at Abbey Road Show actually ran for almost two months. It is a pretty well-documented event. Quite a number of people had the opportunity to hear original Beatles master tapes:

    July 18, 1983: EMI opened Abbey Road's #2 Studio to the public for a special program, "The Beatles at Abbey Road," presented three times per day for a limited period extending to Sept. 11. The tour included a two-hour multimedia presentation of The Beatles career and the playing of many unreleased tracks.

    Allen J. Weiner, The Beatles Ultimate Recording Guide, p. 140.
     
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  17. slane

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    I haven't.
     
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  18. Gems-A-Bems

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    No one has.
     
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  19. Ephi82

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    I don't care that they used new technology for the remix! The fact that there is technology now that can spectrally identify and then place George and John's guitars in different places in the soundstage is just amazing and incredibly musical to me. Think: they recorded the two guitars to one track, so it was hard to hear who was playing what.

    Lennon used to de tune his d string so Mimi knew what he was playing, and Normal Smith used distinctively differently voiced mics on the two amplifiers towards the same end.

    Nothing will ever change my love of the original recordings, but the remix and new technologies only allow another way to enjoy some of the best music made in my lifetime.
     
  20. slane

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    I don't think the remix actually has any examples of that, does it?
     
  21. Sgt Pepper

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    Great info, many thanks.
     
  22. Ephi82

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    Can't like this post enough!
     
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  23. Morton LaBongo

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    I can't understand the hate and vitriol either that some people have for the remix. It's a new updated mix that to me sounds great whether I play it on my new-ish computer or my old Sansui. Given the technology that existed half a century ago, Giles did an amazing job. It's The Beatles with a more modern sound, but if that's not to someone's liking, don't they still have their 1967 mono/stereo to listen to and their 1987 CD? And the 2009 remasters? It's not like Giles, Paul and Ringo drove around the world in a pickup truck confiscating all the previous Pepper mixes because "there can be only one!" As long as the original mixes are still commercially available, this is a win/win for fans.
     
  24. Morton LaBongo

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    I didn't hear any with guitars per se, but I'd have to listen to it again. One instance where I think Giles likes did digital separation is Lovely Rita. From what I understand, the acoustic guitars, drums and piano were first recorded onto one track, thus it could only be put into the original stereo mix as one piece. On the remix to me it sounds like the piano has been digitally separated and is only on the right side (I am listening to it right now). That would be amazing if they also did that with voices/guitars.
     
  25. Ephi82

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    Yes, absolutely. Used in about a half dozen songs. Listen to the first song.

    The guitars recorded on the first 4 track tape were both on one track. The two guitars are McCartneys hyper aggressive rhythm part and some great Harrison riffing. In the 2009 cd's, McCartneys part is well heard, but the Harrison parts are a bit hard to hear. That because McCartney is playing 6 string power chords, and Harrison is playing single note riffs, all in the same space in the soundstage.

    In the 2017, McCarneys part is unbelievably crunchy, you can hear it's a brittle sounding Esquire, probably through a top boost vox. Meanwhile, Georges parts (sounds like a Gibson) has its own space ( i.e. In the soundstage) and every note of his great little licks can clearly be heard.

    I can't tell you how I know, but this is the straight dope! But his technology will only get better.

    I'm a musician and recordist and mixer so I love all this cool new stuff I am hearing. I understand that it may not float everyone's boat.
     
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