The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's 50th Anniversary (Content, Sound Quality & Discussion Thread Only!)

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  1. dewey02

    dewey02 Forum Resident

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    I agree with you, but Ringo apparently doesn't. There is an interview with him (Anthology?) where he says all he does is hold on to the beat because he can't hear the band because of the screaming. And that he didn't do any fills because they would get lost. But his performance in the Wash. DC concert makes him look like "the hardest working man in showbusiness!" and his work at Hollywood Bowl isn't too shabby either.
     
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  2. Onder

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    I Need You is well documented in George Martin's production notes. The "drums" in that song is Ringo thumping on the back of acoustic guitar and John playing snare drum on off beats.

    Ondra
     
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  3. slane

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    Pretty sure 'Kitten' only has a tambourine overdub, not snare.
     
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  4. brainwashed

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    No, but it is proper forum etiquette and those who refuse to fill out profile aren't suppose to critique audio, good or bad. It's not MY policy, but the forum policy. And if you filled out a profile folks would have an idea whether you comments were on target or not. If you happen to listen via $20 ear buds via a cheap laptop, or streaming service, then you could be rightfully criticized for any negative comments you post. As for your hearing. How would I know whether it was average, above average or below? That's a silly comment to make. Ron
     
  5. So by extension, all music should sound bad if listened to on $20 ear buds or a streaming service? Sorry, but I don't buy that either. In my experience, good sounding audio sounds good no matter how you choose to listen to it. High end systems may enhance the experience to some degree, but a bad sounding mix or mastering isn't going to suddenly reveal heretofore unrealized charms just because it's being heard on an audiophile system.
     
  6. WonkyWilly

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    Exactly. It makes no sense at all. I can tell if something is a good or bad mastering no matter what I'm listening through, and I'm sure other folks here can too.
     
  7. brainwashed

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    Well, we agree to disagree then. And that wasn't even my intent. I said someone could be rightfully criticized if they voiced their opinion based on such gear. You can't say, for example, a source is bass shy if you're listening with $20 ear buds. You just can't. Or that a mix is smeary or there's too much compression if you're listening to crappy streaming sources. There are limitations and that's why members are required to fill out a gear profile if they want to critique audio here. Ron
     
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  8. 2141

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    Ringo's comments came later. This '64 show was one of the first of their first US tour. They were all still very excited to be here and had not yet become jaded from the extreme touring chaos.
     
  9. Hymie the Robot

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    When someone is critical about a mix I like a lot, mainly multichannel mixes, and I look at their profile and they are using tiny bookshelf speakers and bass management, I know not to take their opinion too serious.

    There is a dude on Computer Audiophile forums that totally disagrees with your entire paragraph. He thinks a quality system will overcome all crappy recordings. I don't agree with that but just pointing out that many people won't buy your premise.
     
  10. brainwashed

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    I would say music does not sound good on $20 ear buds. Sort of like saying music on our old transistor radios sounded great, when it quite obviously sounded like crap. It didn't affect our enjoyment of the music, but there was no way to tell if the mastering was good or bad. It all sorta sounded the same. No highs, no lows, no dynamics. Ron
     
  11. Onder

    Onder Senior Member

    The problem is that you don't realise that some people just don't like the mixing decisions on the new remix. That's all basically.

    Ondra
     
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  12. Hymie the Robot

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    Earbuds sound pretty damn good in 2017. Nothing like a transistor radio. Please try again.
     
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  13. brainwashed

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    Not $20 ear buds. They do not sound good in any respect. I'm not talking about ear buds in general, but cheap ones sound, cheap. period. Ron
     
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  14. brainwashed

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    My friend, not liking or agreeing with mixing decisions is one thing, folks claiming Giles Martin is incompetent, or an amateur or a complete hack is altogether different. And some folks here have said those very things. Not you and not most people, but some have and those doing so are just trolling for affect. Ron
     
  15. Mike M

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    Ringo on "I Feel Fine" is basically doing the drums from "What I'd Say", From Paul:

    "The song itself was more John's than mine. We sat down and co-wrote it with John's original idea. John sang it, I'm on harmonies and the drumming is basically what we used to think of as What'd I Say drumming"
     
  16. Gila

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    I thought that the better the system is, the more faithful is the reproduction of sound with more nuances and therefore modern overly loud mastered releases sound even worse?
     
  17. Lemon Curry

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    Even a starter "high end" system does more than "enhance...to some degree".

    You've got to be able to hear the material to truly critique it. That's why the profiles are there.
     
  18. Hymie the Robot

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    I wouldn't go that far, just like I don't agree with the dude on CA that claims everything sounds great on his setup. ...answer lies somewhere in the middle.
     
  19. soundQman

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    Not a real rock band? :crazy: Please. They did other styles as well of course. They liked variety. They were eclectic, wide-ranging and sophisticated, especially in the studio.
     
  20. Ephi82

    Ephi82 Still have two ears working

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    The joke is that you don't think the Beatles were a great rock band.
     
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  21. Ephi82

    Ephi82 Still have two ears working

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    Willy, you are silly. Go to a corner and Wonk.
     
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  22. Psychedelic Good Trip

    Psychedelic Good Trip Beautiful Psychedelic Colors Everywhere

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    Just a review of the 2 cd pepper 2017 set.

     
  23. AFOS

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    At times they were heavy rock. Some of the earlier stuff like "Money" was heavy rock for the times. "Paperback Writer" has a monstrous riff. And of course the White Album has "Helter Skelter" etc. The final album has "I Want You" which is perhaps the heaviest thing they did. They were popsters balladeers and hard rockers
     
  24. AFOS

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    They were a pop / rock band who could do hard/heavy rock. Revolution still sounds loud and nasty, must have blown some minds in 1968
     
  25. Gems-A-Bems

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    To be fair he has made some missteps. The perception that he may be a "hack" may not be shared by all but the fact that it's shared by some should not be a surprise.
     
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