The Essential Guide To All The Euro 'Grey' Market Record Companies

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Jackie P, Mar 26, 2013.

  1. Mylene

    Mylene Senior Member

    Some of the labels (Proper and NOT) were doing a better job than the majors. It's a pity Macca had a hissy fit and changed the copyright law.
     
  2. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    I agree with JP. That Ray Charles set was released by Documents/Membran, in my view one of the worst public-domain labels when it comes to sound quality. Awful. Haven't heard this particular set, though.
     
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  3. rgutter

    rgutter Forum Resident

    I'm going to guess you haven't spent much time in Asia.:cheers:
     
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  4. greelywinger

    greelywinger Osmondia

    Location:
    Dayton, Ohio USA
    No PD vinyl issues? :laugh:

    Darryl
     
  5. DocBrown

    DocBrown Musical hermit of the frozen north

    Location:
    Edmonton, Canada
    Here's a couple of other PD labels:

    Jazz Images, located in Barcelona and probably associated with Wax Time. Their gimmick is that the covers are performance photographs by Jean-Pierre Memoir rather than the iconic originals. I have "Mingus Ah Um" which is rather rich for my blood in vintage. Like Wax Time, these are excellent pressings and packaging, but presumably CD rips.

    DOL is rather coy about their origins; a sticker on the sleeve of "The Music from Peter Gunn" says "MADE IN ENGLAND" while the sleeve itself says "Manufactured in Europe". It also says DOL is a trademark of VINYLOGY along with a defunct website. www.vinylogy.ru ; so, Russian.

    Finally, Vinyl Passion specializes in live bootlegs, although I have a PD compilation of Arvo Pärt.
     
  6. Paul99

    Paul99 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Massachusetts
    I ended up getting the Ray Charles Genius & Soul - The 50th Anniversary Collection box set instead. Its from Rhino and sounds great.
    [​IMG]
     
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  7. No! This is one of many things which we will still be beholden to the EU for 'guidance' on, long after UK leaves EU.
     
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  8. John B Good

    John B Good Forum Hall Of Fame

    Location:
    NS, Canada
    For the record, I just came across a listing for Chrome Dreams UK, which seems to have a lot of jazz. My only experience is with a Gene Vincent 4cd set. That set has a nice booklet, and I like what I am hearing.

    But as far as I can see nearly every listing on the site only takes artists upto 1962.
     
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  9. Claude

    Claude Senior Member

    Location:
    Luxembourg
    That's because of the EU copyright extension on music recordings, from 50 to 70 years, decided in 2011.

    Public domain labels will be limited to releasing pre-1963 material for a long while, until 2033.
     
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  10. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    Still, there is tons of great music that the PD labels can release.
     
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  11. John B Good

    John B Good Forum Hall Of Fame

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    NS, Canada
    I personally regret that the last year under the present regime is 1962 and not 1963. Because 1964 is the year when "the music changed" (the narrative that the Beatles represented a New Age.) But 1963 was the year I became a radio addict and was listening intently to everything I could.

    I won't be around in 2033 to hear a flood of 1963 PD releases :) :(
     
  12. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    BTW, going a little off topic for this brief moment, but when it comes to the PD in the US, in 2019, ALL movies from 1923 that had their copyrights renewed and have surviving prints will be in the public domain so Mill Creek and Echo Bridge will be able to copy over for example the 1923 silent Ten Commandments in their boxed sets, Alpha Video will be able to issue a DVD-R of that movie on oldies.com, etc. There'll be no recordings to be in the US PD at in 2019 obviously
     
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  13. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    This is exactly the point. Record companies still make huge money on tons of stuff from 1963 on forward.
     
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  14. Here's a new label I came across working in this domain, Gold Fish. They put out back in 2016 a very nice Scott Walker and the Walker Brothers' Osaka, Japan 1968 performance which they call Everything Under The Sun. That is easy to confuse with the complete box set of the same name.
     
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  15. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    The Hallmark CD of Bobby Boris Pickett's Monster Mash album is horrible sounding. Get it on either one of the PD vinyl issues sourced from the Deram CD, a decent and clean copy of the Garpax or Parrot LP or the Deram CD itself. I can describe the sound of the Hallmark CD as Brickwalled, muffled, and sourced from a noisy and worn LP.
     
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  16. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    The Real Gone UK PD label changed its name to Reel To Reel as people were long confusing the Real Gone PD label with Real Gone Music, the US company that licenses the masters.
     
  17. John B Good

    John B Good Forum Hall Of Fame

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    That's interesting. Can't imagine that the PD company was the loser for the confusion.
     
  18. action pact

    action pact Music Omnivore

    I generally avoid these releases because I find them distasteful, but I made a rare exception and bought the CD below while I was in Paris last winter.
    Why? Because a.) it was cheap, and b.) because most of these recordings are hard to find otherwise.

    It's certainly not unlistenable, but it's not audiophile quality by any stretch of the imagination. It's mastered from worn South American LPs that were not probably pressed on very high quality vinyl to begin with. At least one of the tracks has a skip, transferred from the record.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Well when they kept getting orders for product that they don’t and cannot carry, never will carry - the hassle might have started to wear on them. Having to explain, no we are not that company - our catalog is (inferior) very different.
     
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  20. That is what these collections are good for - collecting a lot of music for a particular artist that is mostly out of print or hard to get otherwise. Strangely enough, I see some of these sets going for decent money on the used market because they are often the only complete collections on CD for certain acts.
     
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  21. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    And often these sets feature lovely mastering - in fact ripped from a major label’s released CDs. Sometimes a Bear Family or Mosaic type label has their work lifted right out from under them in a certain territory at least. I can’t imagine these labels bothering with needle drops unless they have to.

    But an interesting feature of the PD label sets is having albums of an artist that were controlled by two different companies. Some RCA albums with Reprise label releases included is not uncommon.

    I think it’s good that recorded works do not stay copyrighted forever in spite of what some corporations would have us to think.
     
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  22. action pact

    action pact Music Omnivore

    This is probably a significant reasons why Mosaic is teetering on the edge of extinction right now. How can they compete?

    $100:

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    $11:

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  23. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Boy... that $11 version has such nicer graphics / packaging. Good marketing!
     
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  24. action pact

    action pact Music Omnivore

    You get what you pay for!
     
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  25. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    I thought the whole point is that you get way more that you didn't really pay for. Diff perspectives.
     

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