The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. Tom H

    Tom H Forum Resident

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    A phrase is coined. Bold, italicized, and quadruple exclamation.

    Well done!
     
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  2. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

    You know you love me. ;)
     
  3. Aardvark23

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    Just got the July 78 box set as a birthday gift. It's much, much better than I expected. I've listened to 3 shows so far, and they all sound great - Betty really knew what she was doing. My major trepidation of having shows from this period revolve around "fear of Donna" and her wailing, out of tune vocals. They are thankfully better than most I have heard, and she never really dominates the mix. Thanks, Betty!

    Can't believe this hasn't sold out already.
     
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  4. warewolf95

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    Oh man, I very much did. The last few shows were a little bit of an effort but they were slowly building up. This show was like golden nectar from the start to the finish. :)
     
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  5. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

    What is that saying, necessity is the mother of invention? I needed a new way to explain what I was feeling. :)
     
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  6. adamos

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    He writes this later in the thread; wonder what those are:

    "Actually well over 1,000 but not everything is for public consumption due to contractual obligations."
     
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  7. BurtThomasWard

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    It is indeed one of Donna's best releases with the band. She sounds like she had a slight cold or something. Maybe made her take a step back and not go full throttle all the time. Whatever it was, it helps the enjoyment.

    Even my GF, who sorta digs the Dead (luckily for her since she get's around three hours of them every day) but who have always been very vocal in her opinions on the Don, said she was shocked by the quality of her singing her. And in a positive way for once, she added hastily :D
     
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  8. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

    Are you guys ready for me to actually listen to/review Space during the next two 1982 gigs? :)

    I know @Crispy Rob is. :D
     
  9. Rne

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    A couple of posts here almost made me want to revisit some July '78 shows from the box set. Almost.
     
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  10. Rne

    Rne Forum Resident

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    Your enthusiasm is always refreshing.
    (But beware, because unbridled enthusiasm was what led to Billy Mumphrey's downfall.)
     
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  11. ianuaditis

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    I've gotten that sense by reading reviews in such as Deadbase, which are written mostly by people who attended shows rather than simply hearing them on tape, though I'm sure most are retrospective.

    A frequent contributor to this very thread calls 78 a 'poor year overall,' as opposed to 'certainly 1977 was one of the most consistently inspired periods in the Dead's career.'

    Another reviewer, talking about a show in June - 'we were dismayed ... that the second set was identical to the one in Santa Barbara three weeks earlier' and later, reviewing 2-17-79 'At this point the Dead were being criticized so much for the sameness of their shows that it seemed like this show was an answer to all that.'

    There are plenty of raves for individual 78 shows, but not as unreserved as for 77. There's always some kind of qualification, that reads to me as if speaking to a general perception that 78 is a decline, or not as good. (Certainly the tension between Keith and Donna and the rest of the band contributes to that tale.) I don't have the publications anymore, but this was the narrative among other GD related material I had back in the 90s as well.

    And I fit at least part of the description in your last sentence, and I've been firmly on 'team 78' for a while!
     
  12. BurtThomasWard

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    Well, I think we can keep it up until you, like, buuudge, man. I'm gonna put mine on later, BTW.
     
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  13. Dahabenzapple

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    Back in 1972

    4/29/72

    The "Riff" in Caution still works for me. The Sugar Magnolia in between Dark Star & Caution is blazing fast and rocks out.

    Surprised to hear the Feeling Groovy jam early on the Dark Star (maybe a bit after 6:20 if I remember correctly?). I like when these repeated jams are short and this one is. Not sure my take in this Dark Star is as a first listen is just that, a first listen. I will say compared to the 2 others I just listened to for the first time (4/17/72 & 5/23/72) that this one sounded less significant.

    That being said I sure wish they kept the video tapes running for this second set.

    And I think the Caution is strong as are all 4 of the long Cautions I've heard on the tour - and now I've heard them all.
     
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  14. ianuaditis

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    From what I've heard, in the late 70s Donna's singing is far less of an issue than 72-74.

    But on the other hand, I thoroughly enjoy the 'whoa-yeah' scream on Playin in the Band, and lament its absence in later years, so that may give you an idea of just how far I've come around to her singing.
     
  15. ianuaditis

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    Since I was asking about the term 'Deadhead' yesterday, I should have looked to the source, LIA's (other) indispensable blog

    Grateful Dead Sources

    There's a great cartoon there (check out the skeleton's headband,) but it's quite political, so I don't post it here, though it's from the 1880s.
     
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  16. Rne

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    At around 6:40 Phil starts plating the riff. "Dark Star", Europe, 1972, nothing could go wrong.
     
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  17. Rne

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    Nice to know I'm not the only one!
     
  18. Rne

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    I've just realized I erased those shows from my Walkman. I guess I needed the room for something else and July 1978 had to go.
     
  19. BurtThomasWard

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    Good thing they are readily available on this here internet thing then, eh?
     
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  20. ianuaditis

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    I was looking for that Donna Jean meme again,
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    but I also found this:
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  21. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

    That wail always annoys me but I also always find myself missing it in later versions.
     
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  22. bzfgt

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    Mostly pitch-corrected versions of official releases, I imagine; back when I was more in the game I'd occasionally get hold of those.
     
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  23. bzfgt

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    That's it right there (although I am skeptical it was "identical," I don't have the energy to look though). Setlists in 78 could feel repetitious although I don't have any evidence of that.

    At this moment at least I am more into 78 than 77, though.
     
  24. Rne

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    Good thing I have the cd's at home, actually! (Plus the files ripped in my computer)
     
  25. ianuaditis

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    The jam in both was Estmated>Eyes of the World>Drums>NFA>GDTRFB>Around and Around, with US Blues as the encore. (SB had an additional encore.)

    The same reviewer says in another 78 review 'you HAD to judge a show by performance alone,' (i.e. rather than set list,) which is sage advice for any era.
     
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