The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. Crispy Rob

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    '78 and '71 (especially pre-Keith) to me are the two points at which the GD most embraced being a rock 'n' roll band.
     
  2. rbbert

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    There was general agreement among tapers and frequent show-goers that 1978 (after Feb) was disappointing, at the time. The combination of the early Rhythm Devils segments (many of which were just plain annoying) with Keith's increasingly monotonous playing and general disinterest were obvious factors. In fact I think most of us eventually developed a better appreciation for '78's positive aspects as time went on, rather than the opposite (as was implied above).
     
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  3. bzfgt

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    April 78 is peak stuff, though.
     
  4. Rne

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    Keith was more inspired in '77, and I'm not a big fan of the Yahama electric piano sound.
    The vocals were more agressive in 1978, giving for moments the impression of an "angry" Grateful Dead, something I'm not very fond of, particularly when a slow number is being played (lots of strain singing takes place in the July 1978 box set). The performances were in general more intense too.
    It was a good year for the band, but I still prefer the more subtle '77.
     
  5. Dahabenzapple

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    The sound of the grand piano before Keith switched to the "toy" keyboard thingy is beautiful. Maybe the most striking aspect of the sound of the GSTL box with the special light sound of the dual drums coming in a close second.
     
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  6. posnera

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    My anecdotal evidence of sameness: during the '78 college tournament last year, I was successfully predicting the next song before the tuning/noodling started (especially the later half of Set 1).

    I like hearing a 78 show now and then, but they don't hold my interest for extended listening. I strongly prefer 77. Which reminds me, I need to go through the GSTL 77 box again soon. So many shows, so little time...
     
  7. hoggydoggy

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    I can't speak for older Heads' opinions, but I remember the Tapers' Compendium is pretty lukewarm on post-Feb '78, which probably coloured a few opinions and set a few preconceptions going at the time.
     
  8. dzhason

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    I, too, mourn the loss of the "whoa-yeah" on Playin' but I suspect I might always cringe at the banshee screech on the Deal outro.
     
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  9. SBegonias17

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    Or perhaps, in addition to official releases, shows that are under serious consideration for release or have already been announced (like the RFK '89 shows).
     
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  10. dzhason

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    Whenever I'm not sure I just remember, "77 is heaven; 78 it's great", and, after that, if I still get confused, I just listen to the music play.
     
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  11. Rne

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    I agree, that's a bad Donna moment.
     
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  12. dzhason

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    I should add that, as someone who is in love with Donna, I cringe in the most endearing manner.
     
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  13. wavethatflag

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    "You know better, but I know him."

    (Sorry, I felt incomplete in the wake of the meme.)
     
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  14. bzfgt

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    I have to admit I don't get that one.
     
  15. wavethatflag

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    "You know better but I know him" is the line after "caught on a limb." :D

    There's really nothing to get.
     
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  16. Crispy Rob

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    You should always listen to Space, particularly in the 1980s, but I was talking about 4/18 and 4/19 in particular, not 4/17.
     
  17. adamos

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    I've seen this image here enough times recently that I figured it was due for a play. And based on the current topic of discussion some late '77, with '78 just around the corner, seemed a suitable choice.
     
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  18. wavethatflag

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    Skipping drums and space is wrong.

    You also have to listen to Victim.
     
  19. bzfgt

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    Yeah I know the lyrics, but it's a Jerry song and there's not enough of a joke there---someone (ianuditis again?) posted Bobby doing "I say--you say" with something else a couple weeks ago and it was actually funny, whatever it was, so I think it raised the bar too high.

    EDIT: I meant the "meme," not your response to it.
     
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  20. bzfgt

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    And your favorite song has to be Wave to the Wind.

    I like Space and Victim, actually, so I don't know why I responded like that...
     
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  21. wavethatflag

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    I didn't really get the meme either, although I kind of assumed it was Mayer-inspired, on account of him being new, or whatever. But in the photo he's pointing in Chimenti's direction, provided the photo is from a Dead & Co. show.
     
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  22. Olompali

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    In the context of the times... by 78, the GD was beginning to appear a little dated. Despite the new wavey appearances of the artists, the 1st Costello, Talking Heads and Graham Parker discs were just plain terrific. Springsteen and Petty maintained their status as breakouts. Even hard arena rock seemed to gain cred with Cheap Trick and Van Halen. The new Dead disc, despite the anticipated link with Feat, came up with the fairly blah sounding Shakedown Street. Back then there was a palpable sense of moving on with some Heads. K&D really came off distant and for once a bit out of place. Stuff like this could have lent a somewaht misguided disillusionment for the post 77-pre Brent era.
    Like it or not the band needed a change.
    Late 79 through the 15th anniversary was the proof in that pudding.
    Imho.
     
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  23. Olompali

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    Not sure why but it made me laugh.
    Finger wavin' Bob:laugh:
     
  24. warewolf95

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    Woops, you are indeed correct. One more until Earthquake space. :)
     
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  25. wavethatflag

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    He's probably just counting in, or maybe Chimenti just hit him with a spit ball.
     
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