The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. bzfgt

    bzfgt Forum Resident

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    OK, I found the same 11/23/1973 as I was listening to last night, 112801, on my hard drive. This is good. I also found 6/24/1973, 11/20/1973, and 11/14/1973 in better form than 30 Trips, all from Charlie Miller.

    I also got really excited when I found a CM "fix" of 11/21/1973, but the files are messed up for some reason and Xact won't decode them.

    4 out of 5 ain't bad, though.
     
  2. notesofachord

    notesofachord Forum Resident

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    Speaking of Chuck (Miller, that is) - does he have a day job? I mean, I assume this GD mastering engineer stuff is a (serious) hobby, not a job. He sure seems to put a lot of legwork into his hobby. Maybe he's retired and living on a fixed income? Google has like 500 Charles or Charlie Millers, of course.

    He's a celebrity within our community, of course, I just don't know much about him. That's probably how it should be anyway, with his handiwork being clandestine and on the DL. Somebody is certainly feeding him nice, low-gen, Grateful Dead tapes and thank goodness for that.
     
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  3. budwhite

    budwhite Forum Resident

    76-07-18 would make a great multitrack "Four from the vault"
     
  4. pbuzby

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    Tour engineer with Rhythm Devils, Steve Kimock, other similar acts over the years.
     
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  5. notesofachord

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    Makes sense.
     
  6. bzfgt

    bzfgt Forum Resident

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    Now listening to the jazzy Dark Star from 6/24/1973. This was never a favorite, but I haven't heard it in 7 years. Last time out I was more hungry for the spacey stuff (for instance 12/6/73) and probably didn't fully hear this for what it is. It is a great rendition, Phil plays a really cool jazzed-out riff from round 6:30 that may be an allusion, if not a quote, but if it is I don't know to what.
     
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  7. SBegonias17

    SBegonias17 Well-Known Member

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    That entire show is legit and another that should be considered for release in a world where the powers to be looked between 1978 and 1989.
     
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  8. bzfgt

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    One day we will see that world, SBegonias17. I know we will.
     
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  9. bzfgt

    bzfgt Forum Resident

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    It's pretty darn spacey after the verse, though.
     
  10. ducksdeluxe

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    Yes, you are. You should enjoy it far more often.
     
  11. spinyn

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    I've always wondered how Charlie does it. He must work with 2 track recordings as he isn't remixing the original multitracks. He must have some notch filtering equalizers to deal with specific tonal ranges. (And I am not sure I even know what that means.) I just am interested in his process. And God Bless him for all he does!!!

    I do remember him from Kimock's band in the late 90's. I believe he was part of a krewe who used to record Steve with two mics in a V on-stage. I got in the loop for some of those back in the day and they were the most amazing non-soundboard recordings I think I have ever heard.
     
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  12. Dominick

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    DaP 24 was okay. Truckin>TOO was a bit of a disappointment though. I never get too excited about a really long TOO. Post '69 I loose interest in that tune.:hide:
     
  13. Archtop

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    That riff is the so-called Elastic Ping Pong jam and it is the genesis of KSM/STDOMTT. On 6/24/73, it starts out in 6 but Phil works it into 4 just before the 8 minute mark. You can hear other versions of this from late '72 through '73, but 6/24/73 is probably the most fully realized before it disappeared and reappeared on 3/23/75 as a prototype KSM (6/24/73 even includes the resolution to A Major that we hear on KSM). See TOO from 11/17/72 (DaP 11) at ~8:03-8:33, then again around 9:00 and 10:20; DP 28, 2/26/73 (10:10-16:14) in 5 then in 6 starting at 11:10 of Dark Star; and 2/28/73 (4:42-6:00) of TOO in 5. Various incarnations of the jam are in 4, 5, 6 or 7; KSM is in 7.
     
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  14. Crispy Rob

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    I think they are talking about the full hour or so sequence they had plotted out, rather than just Estimated, which they played almost every night in '77. Perhaps the best second set of '77, I love that Lakeland show.
     
  15. libertycaps

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    Agreed. But there's already a very decent, erm *cough, cough* "UK Import" 3CD of this show in my collection.
     
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  16. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

    Still no Dead listening (been on a KISS and Stones kick all week) but I am finally catching up on my Dead downloading tonight. Got about 25 shows from etree downloading.

    I'm at the point where I don't care what year it is, if a new transfer appears and it's either Charlie Miller, Seamons, or an excellent recording I don't already have I download it.

    :)
     
  17. US Blues

    US Blues Forum Resident

    Feh. That version of 18 July 1976 is the circulating radio source that one can get for free. What sits in the Vault is Holy Grail level stuff- a multitrack recording that, with Keith mixed properly, will be just exactly perfect.
     
  18. Dominick

    Dominick Well-Known Member

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    What is your favourite Dead show? Or at least one of your favourites?
     
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  19. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

    5/22/77

    That has it all for me. Fantastic energy, X Factor galore, a nearly-perfect (for my taste) setlist, perfect renditions....

    :)
     
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  20. libertycaps

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    :targettiphat: I said decent. BRING ON THE HOLY OF HOLIES !!! :targettiphat:
     
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  21. runonguinness

    runonguinness Member

    You mean MAGOO'S!?! With extra pepperoni!
     
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  22. couchdave

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    Yep. If you turn up your volume between about 0:15 and 0:45 on the DP29 Estimated track you can hear Jerry & Bob reviewing the planned song sequence for the entire set just off-mike, before Bob comes back to the mike and asks the audience to wish them good luck in remembering it all.
     
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  23. US Blues

    US Blues Forum Resident

    Extra mushrooms. :pineapple:
     
  24. runonguinness

    runonguinness Member

    And some of that peyote dip
     
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  25. US Blues

    US Blues Forum Resident

    Well, that settles it. 11 November 1973 is the Dark Star. :love:
     

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