The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

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    I read about it in the DP 24 thread. Apparently there are overtones/harmonics/whatever to Phil's bass that are not on the original version. I think someone said Mr. Norman had mentioned experimenting with the sound or something. That's all I got for ya. :)
     
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  2. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Matthew 21:17

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    LOL, it's in the Dave's 2017 thread. There's several pages of it, Jeffrey Norman was emailed (and replied) etc. The member who posted himself playing BB kind of chimed in at the end of it.

    Worth a read, for sure, whatever you think of the sound of Dave's 24.
     
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  3. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    Holy crap, I missed all that. I tend to only skim the sub-Dead threads, or not even read them.
     
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  4. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

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    OK. let me make a few things very sparkling clear:
    1. I thought you were aware of the discussion regarding DaP 24, but it's now clear that you were not. (I would add here that you do like to stir the pot, but that's OK. I not only respect that, I love it.)
    2. There were some things related to Phil's bass part on DaP 24 that were very questionable, and while I was slammed for speculating, in the end, I was more or less confirmed as being at least close to being correct. Those who slammed me for speculation never made even the most basic attempt to acknowledge that I was correctly onto something.
    3. I love your input here, so don't change; and
    4. If you mess with Phil, one of the best improvisational musicians of the past 50 years, expect some extremely vehement kick-back. It's Phil Lesh; respect that.
     
  5. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Huh, I missed all of that somehow. I thought I was subscribed to the Dave 2017 thread too, but I've noticed they sometimes stop sending notifications for no apparent reason, which must have happened right around the time this whole bass to-do was kicking off...
     
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  6. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    I have to go try to find it now.
     
  7. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Matthew 21:17

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    Start about 10 pages back or so.
     
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  8. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

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    Ah, you didn't really miss anything. Carry on, stout yeoman. :D
     
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  9. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Sure enough, it says I'm watching that thread. Not closely enough, apparently...
     
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  10. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Matthew 21:17

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    Unless you check it, it only alerts you at the first new post.
     
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  11. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Oh, so if I miss one, then I could miss a thousand...that explains how that happens.
     
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  12. lucan_g

    lucan_g Forum Resident

    God damn it. Some people have sufficient lives NOT to keep up with Dead-sub-threads?

    Shame on you. ;)
     
  13. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    Yeah, I want to read the Jeff Norman response.
     
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  14. Matthew Tate

    Matthew Tate Forum Resident

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    listening to the new daves. I call this a stock 1972 show. disc 3 is interesting but nothing sticks out so much that I know why it was chosen as a picks. not that its bad. like I said very stock. daves 25 already looks like t will be a better release than this
     
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  15. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    I was getting into it earlier today. I listened to the first five tunes and I was pleased. At worst I'd call it '72 first set autopilot, but it's still a damn fine airplane.
     
  16. Matthew Tate

    Matthew Tate Forum Resident

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    exactly. nothing wrong with it just not something I can figure out why dave would trip over himself to get it out
     
  17. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Wow, I need to go to bed so won't finish with bassgate tonight. I just want to say I somehow missed that Jesus restoration thing, that's the funniest thing I've ever seen.
     
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  18. SBegonias17

    SBegonias17 Forum Resident

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    Dave sometimes talks about how they have years and years “planned” out for releases (I think he once referenced a 20 year period). In order to do that on a 4 time a year subscription model, plus box sets every year, where you’re seemingly only looking between 69 and 78, some average shows will be in the mix. There are just not enough shows like 1/22/78 to release only that level of show and make it the length of time Dave has talked about.

    I though 8/25/72 was pretty standard ‘72 fare, definitely in the second tier of shows from that year. However, that still makes it worthy of release. Almost everything from 72-74 is worthy of being released if it’s in decent sound quality. Phantom octaves aside, of course.
     
  19. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    One of the reasons they released 25 Aug 1972 is they had just gotten those reels back into the Vault. There is a deal in place where the prior holder is going to get PAID, and one way to do that is release material they have returned and give them a cut. In the release credits in the booklet you'll notice the "Tapes provided through the assistance of ABCD Enterprises LLC." This credit has been present in the last several releases, including the Get Shown The Light box set.
     
  20. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    Last 50 years?! How about "since hominids began banging on rocks with sticks!" How about "since just after the Big Bang went BANG!" That was not a gaseous explosion, that was The Original Phil Bomb!
     
  21. Matthew Tate

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    i will say its a fabulous "bird song" and a great electric country funk version of "friend of the devil"
     
  22. rbbert

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    Outstanding Other One as well :cool:
     
  23. adamos

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    FWIW @wavethatflag I also thought you were making a good-natured joke to poke the bear, which would have been quite funny and in line with your sense of humor if you had!

    It’s worth catching up on that discussion in the DaP 2017 thread. It was unfortunate and unfair that things went negative (and I do hope you feel vindicated @Archtop) but on the plus side some really interesting information came out of it and the group appears to have influenced future decisions that Mr. Norman may make.
     
  24. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

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    I was giving due deference to Slam Stewart. Forgive me. ;)
     
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  25. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    OK I am caught up on the bass crisis. I listened to it and can hear it and am more sympathetic to the "don't mess with Phil" crowd.

    Having said that I love the performance there, to me it's better than second tier because a lot of the first set stuff is top notch whereas I often only really pay attention to the jammy parts of 72 shows. Cold Rain and Snow and Bird Song are top versions.
     

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