The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. unravelled

    unravelled Well-Known Member


    What was yesterday's news? I must've missed it but sounds like I need to be in the know.
     
  2. GuidedByJonO)))

    GuidedByJonO))) Forum Resident

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    Oh, nothing to do with the Dead in particular. Just that SXM provided a time slot and format to someone I really wish they hadn't. I can PM you more, but I'm trying to be cognizant of the forum rules here.
     
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  3. SBegonias17

    SBegonias17 Well-Known Member

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    Someone whose name rhymes with “Teve Tannon” was given a radio show.

    To speak of the GD channel, it is both awesome and infuriating. They do play live shows in their entirety (every day!), this day in GD history is cool, and you occasionally get sneak peaks at new releases. Also, they will play live songs from throughout all 30 years, and you’ll come across performances you’ve never heard before.

    The bad is a weird mix of studio/live, live shows will often be misidentified by show name, the album artwork won’t match the song, and sometimes they get into a run of playing a lot of post-GD projects. I also find the Tales from the Golden Road to be outright boring. YMMV.
     
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  4. bzfgt

    bzfgt Forum Resident

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    It is a top 5 Dark Star, and it's the one I forgot last weekend when we were talking top 5 Dark Stars. So, I think my top 5 are 4/8, 4/24. 9/21/1972, and 11/11, 12/6/1973, with 9/21/1972 still under review.
     
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  5. US Blues

    US Blues Forum Resident

    Just wait until we get to the version on 18 December 1973. And any list that does not give due consideration to 19 October and 25 October 1973 can be dismissed out-of-hand.

    Plus @Dahabenzapple will testify on behalf of 24 February 1974 at Winterland.
     
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  6. bzfgt

    bzfgt Forum Resident

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    I'm well familiar with 3 of those 4.
     
  7. bzfgt

    bzfgt Forum Resident

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    Any news on Grateful Dead Projects? I see the link is still dead. Someone posted a mirror and I ditched the link when GDP went back up, and now it's down again; if anyone has the mirror link I'd appreciate if they posted it again, thank you.
     
  8. Dahabenzapple

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    I’m starting to think that ALL of the E72 Dark Stars are top 20 versions:

    1) 4/8/72 - well known and agreed to as all/time GOAT version
    2) 4/14/72 - incredible
    3) 4/17/72 - still getting it mixed up with 4/14 but also great
    4) 4/24/72 - see above 1)
    5) 4/29/72 - I’m listening on the way home today for my 3rd listen - maybe a notch below 4/14 & 4/17 but still great
    6) 5/4/72: only one I haven’t heard yet
    7) 5/7/72: shortest by far of the tour but great nonetheless plus it morphs into TOO - the whole sequence is on E72 Volume 2 and it is an all-time great jam
    8) 5/11/72: longest ever Star and it is a mind-bender
    9) 5/18/72: maybe the weakest I’ve heard of the 11 versions but still engaging and powerful
    10) 5/23/72: comparable in quality to 4/14 or 4/17, I think
    11) 5/25/72: just listened for the second time yesterday - I’m not always a Feelin’ Groovy fan but this one well after the verse is sweet. Great Tiger Jam and overall again a simply great version.
     
  9. jay.dee

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    I have been recently listening to the shows from the Winterland '73 box and I am not impressed. I do not like the sound at all; despite its clarity it sounds "square", as if harmonies and rhythms got squeezed into a mathematical grid.

    At times I feel the music gets unbearably "lifeless", even and repetitious, like on the final night's "Eyes of the World". I've played that number from the archives site (through my laptop speakers!) and the fan tapes sound so full of life to me compared to the officially released production.

    Has anyone had similar impressions about this release?
     
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  10. GuidedByJonO)))

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    All this talk of '72 Dark Stars finally prompted me to pull the trigger on the 04/08 and 04/14 individual shows, since I missed out on the trunk. That'll bring me to having at least four of the tour's shows. Well, sort of five with Hundred Year Hall.
     
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  11. Dahabenzapple

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    I originally thought the sound was a bit “brittle” but I’ve gone to love Kidd’s recorded sound. I originally felt even stronger about Dave’s 16 (3/28/73). For now I’m thinking the Winterland box as the best sounding 2-tracks outside of some Bear stuff from late 72 and though still far behind the great Betty recorded shows from 76-78.
     
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  12. jay.dee

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    In terms of the clarity of mix, probably so (although the vocals are buried), but I strongly feel there is something unnatural with pitch and tempos going on there.

    Now I am listening to the three weeks later recordings from Boston on DP 14 and the sound feels to me perfectly natural, even though it has no clarity achieved on the Winterland set. Maybe it is just me...
     
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  13. Archtop

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    :nyah:
     
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  14. US Blues

    US Blues Forum Resident

    :wave:
     
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  15. ralf11

    ralf11 Active Member

    is it available on any high quality releases? or...
     
  16. notesofachord

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    Discs 3 on both of those releases are two of the greatest officially released discs in the entire catalog. Congrats!
     
  17. SBegonias17

    SBegonias17 Well-Known Member

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    I'm halfway through E'72 (I made it through April, will probably start May up in a week or so, trying to avoid 1st set fatigue. My rating of the April Dark Stars (I'm keeping track):

    1) 4/8
    2) 4/24
    3) 4/14
    4) 4/17
    5) 4/29

    Of the May versions, I've heard 5/7 and 5/11 and kind of know where they will slot in.

    As far as all-time rankings, I would say that 4/8 is Top 5 in my book (and a contender for #1) and 4/24 is top 10. 4/14 and 4/17 would probably crack the Top 25. 4/29 would be unranked...it's solid but is a little too much space without the improv jamming that I really dig (and why 4/8 and 4/24 are so high).
     
  18. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

    So what's the deal with this show - is what we have all that exists? Or was it actually a short show. I'm thinking the former....
     
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  19. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

    So, I always, for some reason, associated Without A Net much more with 1989 than 1990.

    Turns out all but TWO tracks are from Spring 1990! Imagine my surprise! :D
     
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  20. bzfgt

    bzfgt Forum Resident

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    It's a weird one; recordings on the archive have a different and longer setlist than the one given on Dead.net and other setlist sites like this:
    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~./gdead/dead-sets/73/12-6-73.txt

    I never noticed this before, I've just heard circulating versions, but did they play Weather Report Suite?! If so, it seems like a long show...but WRS seems to be missing from circulating sources, if it was in fact played. Does anyone know the deal with this?
     
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  21. RockRoom

    RockRoom Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
     
  22. Instant Dharma

    Instant Dharma Forum Resident

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    And one day Im going to listen to it. Interrupted. In the right circumstances.
     
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  23. bmoregnr

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    I hear where you are coming from and felt the same way to me initially, but it grew on me pretty quickly. I think you have to go to it more than it goes to you. Remember that Winterland box was Plangented so maybe that makes it feel a tad more unnatural by comparison with the little more normal '73 tape wobble!
     
  24. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

    So, Days Between has been catching my ear recently. Anyone got any thoughts on this song? So strange and dark and psychedelic sounding.

    Cool song, imo. :)
     
  25. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Forum Resident

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    You're talking about a top 5, you've just named 5.

    My 'top 5' has more than 5 on it for sure, (in accordance with principles well established on this thread,) but the only one from 1973 is 12-6. (maybe 3-24 gets on the second team.)

    In some Dark Stars they are on a course for orbit in a distant star system. In others they are pinging haphazardly around the galaxy, maybe finding a wormhole or three. IMO 1973 has more of the former, whereas the latter is my preference.
     
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