The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. budwhite

    budwhite Så mycket äldre

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    If we ever get a Dave's Pick from '79, it might be from that run. Recorded and mixed by Betty on reel to reel. Same as 4/22
     
  2. pbuzby

    pbuzby Forum Resident

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    My guess is 4/22/79 is the most likely of the '79 Bettys. I remember an interesting soundcheck jam on Shakedown Street the day before that was on the Tapers Section.
     
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  3. KDubATX

    KDubATX Forum Resident

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    This was the most don't give a crap show I have heard out of the band in a long while. Can't say they are playing terribly aside from the few clear botches lyrically, but man this show sounds like the band REALLY did not want to be there. Slow tempo, no energy... It feels like the Dead resented even being on stage. The one bit that I have seen called out for this show before was the post Estimated jam with Bobby Brent and the drummers before going into Drums and that is a pretty slim highlight to be honest.
    That said the actual audience recording was of good quality and the same taper did a run of summer shows I downloaded so looking forward to the Red Rocks run and the Austin show to come.
     
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  4. davmar77

    davmar77 I'd rather be drummin'...

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    Is it a coincidence that was around the time I was starting to lose interest? By spring of 81 I was done following on a regular basis.
     
  5. US Blues

    US Blues Forum Resident

    Spring of '81 was a last high point for Jerry's playing, some serious degradation after that.
     
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  6. Jim Walker

    Jim Walker Forum Resident

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    Time for an old go-to, love the '73 shows.



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  7. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

    Heading west of Abilene today. Oasis spinning now but Dead will be on later.

    10 13 94 has been on my mind this morning.....
     
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  8. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

    Og jeez. Im marathoning 82 slowly and thats one of my next couple shows.
    Trucking right now but in a few weeks when i get a review posted i cant wait to see how our opinions of the show compare.

    :)
     
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  9. Doggiedogma

    Doggiedogma Forum Resident

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    The best "Here Comes Sunshine" and the "Playing In The Band" cooks!
     
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  10. davmar77

    davmar77 I'd rather be drummin'...

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    after three shows at radio city where I hoped they'd bring it, I gave it one more run at Nassau the following spring. radio city was very good but that was about all, at least for me.
     
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  11. KDubATX

    KDubATX Forum Resident

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    I do like the Lost Sailor > Saint > Deal to end set one but that set two is tough.
     
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  12. ducksdeluxe

    ducksdeluxe Forum Resident

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    I don't agree. There wasn't the consistency of earlier periods but I saw plenty of fiery hot playing from Jerry in the 82-85 period. 12/27/83 may have been the best show I ever saw out of the 60 or so I caught between 78-91. All of October 1983 he is on fire, and there's a reason why so many are calling for a summer 85 box set. Not up to the pre-hiatus levels for sure, but undeserving of a blanket dismissal.
     
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  13. Brett44

    Brett44 Forum Resident

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    I really enjoy your reviews. But for the life of me I don't know how you make it through all those 80's and 90's shows in a row. Or just an entire show from some of those tours.
     
  14. trd

    trd Forum Resident

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    warewolf listens to 80s/90s so we don't have to ;)
     
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  15. US Blues

    US Blues Forum Resident

    I don't equate "serious degradation" with "blanket dismissal." I saw 5 shows in October '83 and they were very fine (8 shows in '83 and I guessed right most every time), I also saw some shows in '82, '84, and '85 that were not very good at all. And I am not saying there were not good shows all along the way, but Jerry's playing was suffering at times. Went to about 75 shows from '79 thru '94, and if I could only go back in the time machine it would be to my first two, when Keith & Donna were in the band.

    All that said, I find @warewolf95 so inspiring because he does not bring the same jaded view to the music I do, reading his reviews of any year is a fresh window into the music.
     
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  16. bzfgt

    bzfgt Custom Title

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    His playing deteriorated in 1992, sure. He got a little sloppy in the 80s but he rocked out, and the Dead were not Steely Dan or Yes, they were always a band that valued feel over perfection. I don't believe he began to "deteriorate" in 1979. His playing changed, sure. And I will grant you this--until 1974, his playing progressed more or less linearly, he was simply better in around 1974 than he was in any previous year, and I will also grant that you could not say that in any subsequent year, I don't think (although he did claim to have mastered the fretboard around 1978, you can't tell that he hasn't already done that in 1973 by listening). But I refuse the word "deteriorate" here because I can think of whole concerts in the 80s where he is masterful.
     
  17. bzfgt

    bzfgt Custom Title

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    Thank you!!!
     
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  18. bzfgt

    bzfgt Custom Title

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    I already knew that, USB. I have a pretty good idea of what you do and don't dismiss, and I know you're hep to the 80s.
     
  19. bzfgt

    bzfgt Custom Title

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    I had planned to listen to that today and got sidetracked....I'll take this as a "sign" and get back to it!
     
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  20. T-Mac

    T-Mac Well-Known Member

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    Not sure which one of the Dead threads I read where the first two Road Trips were available with bonus discs from Dead.net, but thanks. Ordered both and the bonus discs came as well. The first Road Trips from Fall 1979 is really good, as I am just starting to get used to (and into) Brent’s playing and nice to hear the band kicking on all cylinders. I agree with a post a few pages back, another release from the late December 1979 run would be welcomed
     
  21. scribbs

    scribbs Resident Mockery

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    Been playing the November '77 shows again in preparation for the arrival of 11/6/77. I'm lukewarm on 11/5/77, still. I remember hoping at the time of release that a better recording would lift this show out of mediocrity but that sadly hasn't really happened. I definitely prefer the filler bits from 11/2/77, which more often than not is how filler bits go on these things. 11/4/77 is another story. This one is a cut above, and the better show overall. The band is in-synch, and I would swear that Let it Grow wanted to go into Lightning during the jam. They certainly should have. And I still contend after all these years of listening that the presence of Cold Rain & Snow in a set list is indicative of a special night for Jerry. This is no exception. Great second set and a great show. Someday 11/1/77 will get its deserved release. That one's the best of this early November bunch.
     
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  22. bzfgt

    bzfgt Custom Title

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    This morning I began with Winterland 11/11/1973, China>Rider, then Half Step through to the end (Big River Dark Star Eyes China Doll UJB Sugar Mag JBG).

    The 11/11/73 Dark Star is interesting, it's getting rarer for them to play it straight with a 37- minute Dark Star in one piece like this. It is a magnificent rendition (in my t0p 5, as I've often stated). I was thinking a little bit about the USB/Archtop mini-argument about this one. It is indeed not a version I'd expect Archtop to rate as highly as I do, as nothing much happens in it! By this I mean there are only two movements (not counting Verse>Space and MLB). The first movement is pretty much generic Dark Star, that stately A minor stuff that defines the song. But as Gary Gilmore likes to say, it's all about the execution....Garcia is magnificent, and so is everyone else, really. Top-quality stuff. The second movement (after the Space following the verse) is some faster, jazzy stuff that is again not untypical, but is again rendered with élan. So there's not a ton of things to say about it, but this morning's listen did not dislodge it from my top 5--au contraire, it delivered what it needed to deliver, as usual.

    I listened to some of 6/10/73 which is really good but probably overrated. Today it was only Dark Star-> He's Gone-> Wharf Rat-> Truckin', Sugar Magnolia. The bridge of Wharf Rat is a train wreck!

    And, speaking of train wrecks, I next spun Dick 15 (9/3/77)....Estimated>Eyes Samson He's Gone Not Fade Away Truckin'. I have never rated this Truckin', it gets a lot of love for being the first post-hiatus version, but they can't remember how to play the coda. But today I liked it better than I ever have, previously; I realized that it has a lot of energy and enthusiasm and this makes up for the sloppy playing to an extent. That'll do, pigs! Not bad, anyway.
     
  23. KDubATX

    KDubATX Forum Resident

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    There are lots of good pre-coma 80s shows. There are also lots of shows where it sounds like the set is just a meaningless distraction before the next dragon chasing session. Also shows that are a little of both. I can behind sloppy if I get the vibe that the band is having some fun up there. What I don't need is indifferent nodding Jerry in total don't give a crap mode. There are some shows in this period where I get the impression that Jerry is actively resentful of the audience, almost as though he knows how bad the band is playing and gets irritable that the audience was cheering and excited as though the show was pure divinity. Shows like these you can almost hear how impatient he is to get off stage and slip into his dragon bubble, which is less than inspiring. That said on the whole I am a fan of the Brent years, warts and all. 15 years ago I was all about 72-74 to the exclusion of everything else, and maybe I just burnt those years out, but I have a lot of fun with the Brent years and for the last couple of years, that is where I have been spending most of my time.
     
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  24. scribbs

    scribbs Resident Mockery

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    9/3/77 is more about the Half-Step & Peggy than just about everything else. They are my favorite performances of those tunes.
     
  25. scribbs

    scribbs Resident Mockery

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    72-74 is my wheelhouse, but the Brent years have a lot to offer if you have the patience for them. It's just that you need someone to point you to the good stuff. For me, much of the best stuff in the early '80s happened in the first set, when energy was high. Second sets would often go nowhere after the "coffee" break. Meanwhile, Fall '79 pre-drums jams are among the finest the band ever played on a consistent basis.
     
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