The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. adamos

    adamos Forum Resident

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    I too was exposed to Reckoning via a For The Faithful cassette purchased in the late 80s. I guess hidden treasures can be unearthed at suburban shopping malls. :)

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  2. Jerry

    Jerry Grateful Gort Staff

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    New England
    Latvala always insisted that fall 77 was superior to spring 77. I saw many shows that year, and agree whole heartedly. The best Estimateds, Truckins, Peggy-O's, Terrapins, and my favorite Black Peter in October at Tempe.
     
  3. SBegonias17

    SBegonias17 Forum Resident

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    Finishing the evening with 2/26/73. A gem of a show from early '73. This is a subsequent listen, and I'm digging it more than I did the first time through.
     
  4. Archtop

    Archtop Forum Resident

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    The second half from 2/28 ain't nothin' to sneeze at. The Jack Straw kicks it. And then it ramps up in a big way.
     
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  5. SBegonias17

    SBegonias17 Forum Resident

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    I remember liking 2/28 more the first time through, I’ll see if that holds when I listen to it later today.
     
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  6. Jim Walker

    Jim Walker Forum Resident

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    This one and the one before it, the second Garcia (or Compliments).
    Mississippi Moon from Garcia sure is a weird song.


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  7. AlmanacZinger

    AlmanacZinger Resident Forum Jerk

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    Literally just walked in from my mailbox where I received the Golden Road set this morning. Already had the SACD of AB, and a couple others but I'm too lazy to buy them individually when this set is supposed to be just fine. (But is that without or without the HDCD conversion?)
     
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  8. JRM

    JRM Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Compliments is my favorite Jerry studio album, but the alternate take of Mississippi Moon, without horn and strings, is much better I think...

     
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  9. posnera

    posnera Forum Resident

    I'll listen to the alternate take, but Mississippi Moon is one of my favorite things ever recorded in the studio by Garcia. Great instrumentation. Who uses a bass clarinet? Genius.
     
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  10. rbbert

    rbbert Forum Resident

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    The HDCD’s in the Golden Road box do not utilize HDCD features and do not benefit from HDCD decoding
     
  11. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag Your Ad Here

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    I think one of our resident recording technology experts, @bmoregnr, said that Jeffrey Norman uses HDCD because he likes the filters used in that process, not because of the encoding/decoding aspect, which he hasn't featured at all for a while because he wanted everyone to have the same experience when listening.

    I know of at least one audio manufacturer who's come out and said, in so many words, that the encode/decode process was much ado about nothing. But, full disclosure, I've never owned a CD player with HDCD decoding.
     
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  12. AlmanacZinger

    AlmanacZinger Resident Forum Jerk

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    That's odd. Then why label them so?
     
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  13. Stone Turntable

    Stone Turntable Forum Resident

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    From a few weeks back:
    The one thing I'm still unclear about is which earlier Dead HDCD releases, if any, DO utilize the full array of HDCD grooviness and thus benefit from an HDCD player. For instance is it really true that the Golden Road box discs sound exactly the same on regular and HDCD players (as is stated above)? Norman seems to be saying he only stopped using peak extension sometime after the Complete Europe '72 came out in 2011.

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  14. BlackCircle

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    The CD version was even minus 1 tune...Oh Babe It Ain't No Lie.
     
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  15. BlackCircle

    BlackCircle Forum Resident

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    Dude my home town...we could have met for lunch or something. It could have been....the most freaking awesome lunch ever!!!!:D
     
  16. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag Your Ad Here

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    Dick's 35, 8/7/71 Golden Hall, San Diego, CA portion. Garcia's guitar part on "Mr. Charlie" sounds higher than usual.
     
  17. rbbert

    rbbert Forum Resident

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    That’s because it was inconsistently applied prior to that. All the Dick’s Picks from 15 on utilized the features. Some of the Road Trips and Download Series did, but not all and there is no pattern I can discern. The early Dave’s Picks did, none since 2015 do. Both official release box sets (studio and live) do not. The live box set yearly releases up through 2014 did, even the ones sourced from 16/44.1 digital recordings (i.e., no possible benefit from Peak Extend, only losses for those without HDCD decoders).
     
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  18. Jim Walker

    Jim Walker Forum Resident

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    It is a cool treatment by Garcia, but it throws me off when I revisit after
    a long layoff. But yeah, it is pretty good. Actually a lot of weird stuff is
    some of the best stuff. lol
     
  19. pbuzby

    pbuzby Forum Resident

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    Listening to that, yes, on those early 1971 versions Garcia is playing an upper harmony guitar part compared to Weir's part, while on Europe '72 they are playing in unison. Also in 1971 they usually mess up the timing coming back in after "Mr. Charlie told me so" while by Europe I think they get it right on every version.
     
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  20. Stone Turntable

    Stone Turntable Forum Resident

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    Thanks for the rundown!

    Do you know, is the Complete Europe ’72 trunk an HDCD-utilized or not-utilized release?
     
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  21. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag Your Ad Here

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    Phil is very present and involved on this "Mr. Charile." Some bristle when I refer to Phil as playing lead bass, but you can't argue that he's not being very Phil, very Lesh, blessing the group with his Philanthropy.

    Definition of philanthropy

    plural philanthropies
    1 : goodwill to fellow members of the human race; especially : active effort to promote human welfare
    2 a : an act or gift done or made for humanitarian purposes
    b : an organization distributing or supported by funds set aside for humanitarian purposes
    3 : how Phil plays friggin' bass, yeah!
     
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  22. rbbert

    rbbert Forum Resident

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    Utilized
     
  23. US Blues

    US Blues Forum Resident

    Phil's playing during the Summer of '71 is particularly robust. Pig isn't contributing a lot on keys, leaving the band with just 4 voices, so Phil fills a lot of Space during this time. The 2 nights at BCT (14 & 15 Aug 1971) are prime examples of this. Also, both of these shows were returned to the Vault via the "Houseboat Tapes," and would make a nice 4 CD release. * hint hint *

    PS- One might say Mr. Lesh was being rather philanthropic!
     
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  24. RockRoom

    RockRoom Experienced

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    Upstate NY
    Saturday jamming pre football. 10/11/77 Let It Grow -One massive highlight of a great show. Could be the best LIG of the year. The band is monstrous. Official bits and pieces of the show can be compiled from RT 1.2 and from 'hidden track's on DP 29. The NFA, Dancin and HSF (last for a while) are also slamming.
     
  25. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Evil Twin

    Who knows when Phil's Gibson bass was stolen and he went back to the (now alembicised) Guild? Had to be sometime around this time.
     

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