The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. lucan_g

    lucan_g Forum Resident

    I'm finding it difficult to sort through them. I was just trying to listen to 4.27.71... and I can't figure out if I prefer it or not yet. The stereo seems to have wider separation (I think), and the bass seems to be more pronounced. I find the bass more pronounced on a lot of them, actually. Now more Phil is never a bad thing... but it is interesting that they have quite different feels (at least to me on my system). I'd love anyone else's reflections on these PCMs . Remind me again what the PCM actually means in this context? I know it's been covered... I just can't find it. Sigh.
     
  2. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

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    After being skeptical of JGB for some time I am finding some pretty high energy stuff from around 1980 and 81.
     
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  3. Instant Dharma

    Instant Dharma Dude/man

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    Wait, were not English?

    Pah.
     
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  4. unravelled

    unravelled Forum Resident

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    GarciaLive 9 was a relevation to me Scalding hot show!!
     
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  5. Mad Dog

    Mad Dog Forum Resident

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    IWT also. Spot on review. Also proposed to my wife that afternoon in Tiburon and we still going strong.
     
  6. unravelled

    unravelled Forum Resident

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    [QUOTE="Archtop, post: 18169596, member:

    This is exactly why I don't listen to JGB. I want to hear Jerry sparring with a worthy adversary/compatriot in Phil, not Jerry dragging a lame mule up a sand dune.[/QUOTE]

    Why dontcha tell us how you really feel?!? Did Phil ever sit in with JGB?

    :laugh:
     
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  7. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

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    Yes, one or two gigs around 1981 or 2. I haven't heard them yet.
     
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  8. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    The February 1980 tour has some very worthy music. Saw my first JGB show on that tour, 13 Feb in Albany, and that was amazing.
     
  9. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    All of this is true, which is why I noted that magic moment as "Jerry & Phil." I've had that show on tape since c. 1980, and I have never grown tired of that transition from Dark Star > Eyes of the World. Simply extraordinary.
     
  10. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

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    Let me just state this:

    There are really only two reasons to read this board:
    1. I want facts;
    2. I want opinions.
    Often when asking for facts, we get some of those and a whole boatload of other stuff. At least when I give my opinion, I can guarantee that it's genuine even if it's not factual.
     
  11. unravelled

    unravelled Forum Resident

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    I was playing with ya and really do appreciate your insight. I had to laugh at the lame mule up a sand dune! I don't think it's THAT bad but, I know for a fact that its your honest opinion. Funny stuff!!

    Now back to DB8 for me!
     
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  12. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    And yet you opinion is in fact your opinion. :nyah:
     
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  13. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

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    Exploring the Fillmore West run of June 1970. On 6/5/70 during a very good "Other One" there is a feedback shriek in the jam after the first verse and someone says "goddamn it!"
     
  14. unravelled

    unravelled Forum Resident

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    On the recently received DP8, they added back Cold Rain and Snow, which was mysteriously omitted on the CD release. Seems they missed the vocal intro but pushed it back a bar or two seamlessly Fantastic guitar sound on the main riff!! No sound issues or tape cuts
     
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  15. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

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    I understand there are guitar tuning problems in Cold Rain which was why they left it off DP8.
     
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  16. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    I want my Dead "Zits and all!"
     
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  17. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    24 February 1974- Winterland. Goes well with my morning chai. btw- this is Dave's 13, for those of you who never identify the dates of what you're listening to.

    Playing In The Band. Spacious = Delicious. :agree:
     
  18. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

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    Certainly needless hyperbole on my part, but there you have it. I wouldn't use the term bad, and I really like his work on double bass, but I find his electric playing to be hopelessly stilted and cloyingly repetitive. In fairness, I think Jerry wanted the repetitive aspect for JGB, so there's that, but there's a good reason why I almost always reach for '72-'74 King Crimson, Zappa and Grateful Dead and (almost) anything Sun Ra. Collective improvisation (of the at least semi-structured variety) is something that scratches an itch so deep that I can't really articulate how good it feels.
     
  19. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

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    Oh heres to my sweet Satan.
    The one whose little flag would make me sad
    Whose power is Satan
    He will give you 666
    His power is Satan

    :D
     
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  20. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

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    Garcia said once that he and John Kahn always liked the same things in music. Something I think Garcia would have never said about Lesh or Weir.
     
  21. posnera

    posnera Forum Resident

    Really? Where did you buy this? I'd be tempted to pick one up, the omission of Cold Rain has always bugged me.
     
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  22. unravelled

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  23. bzfgt

    bzfgt The Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler

    Oh, for God's sake. Now we're talking about the late 80s JGB in terms of "THAT bad"? Not even you, unravelled, just that it's gotten to this point. The Seals band was a really good band. But it was the Jerry Garcia showcase. And that's what was amazing about it, because Garcia was amazing. Listen to that album from 1991. He is on fire throughout, and way more than I ever heard him catch fire with pre-1978 JGB. But at least I now understand how some people could rate that stuff higher, if you're talking about the rest of the band and how assertive they were. I have always gone to JGB for a concentrated blast of Jerry. Sometimes even with the Dead I find myself listening to him rather than the keys during a keyboard solo. Listen to how his guitar roars and chirps and strains at the traces when Seals is soloing, and the beauty and power of his playing throughout:

     
  24. nfmboss666

    nfmboss666 Forum Resident

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    Can anyone speak to the quality of the Brookvale DP Vinyl reissues? I am considering picking up volume 8 now that it is out... even though the completist in me is gonna go nuts wishing the other 6 they have released were on my shelf!
     
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  25. unravelled

    unravelled Forum Resident

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    Remastering info on DP 8 vinyl for those intetested[​IMG]

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