The Grateful Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by JRM, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. rcb30

    rcb30 Forum Resident

    Richmond, VA
    Anybody have two cents re sound quality for Waterbury '72 and San Diego '73, as far as 30 Trips being a clear improvement over other versions?

    I've had an itch to pick up a couple/few individual 30T shows and just pulled the trigger on Dijon since it's a particular favorite and wasn't insanely priced, but I'm listening to CM's 11/14/73 right now and thinking I can live with it just fine (and maybe buy an official download ... someday ...).
  2. warewolf95

    warewolf95 Forum Resident

    My uncle is bedridden with a mystery illness, so im making my first solo voyage.....1000 miles to Houston TX.

    Southwest of Atlanta bedding down. So far ao good.

    No Dead tonight. Jist some Howard Stern lol. Tomorrow may be different though...
  3. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Forum Resident

    LOL, I just took a day or two off, I have 38 notices and 74% of them are likes from @Crispy Rob

    Also, I heard a snippet of the latest Dave's picks on the radio the other day.

    It reminded me of someone on here talking about Alligator the other day, (maybe @ThirdBowl.) I was going to say you hear people in 72 calling for it even after Pig left the band.

    But I'm pretty sure yesterday I heard someone in the crowd shout out Alligator during set I of Dave's 25.
  4. nitsuj

    nitsuj Forum Resident

    I specifically logged in to discuss 10/14/83. Seriously, I hit the local record stores today (all 2 of them) and picked up Brookvale's DP6. One of the benefits of living in a sleepy midwest town is the lack of Grateful Dead competition. I watched this vinyl box slowly get marked down over the past year. 10%, then 20%, then 30%, they finally went big and slashed to 50%. I personally am a buyer @ 6 LP's for $44 duckets, don't care if the master is cassette or 8-bit mp2. The only other Brookvale DP vinyl that I have to compare it to is DP3, Pembroke Pines '77


    (Never mind the cocaine dust all over my carpet, the free ball that comes with every set busted open in transit at some point)

    Let me get the "how does it sound" part out of the way first. It sounds good. As good as Brookvale's DP3. Not nearly on the level of Wake up to Find Out or the most recent 5/8/77 vinyl (or the Dark Star on the under-appreciated Europe '72 Vol. 2 album that melted my brain last night), but still very Clean and Crispy. I am currently on side 4 (Hell in a Bucket, Keep Your Day Job) at the moment and wishing the mids were a bit fuller/warmer, but whatever the highs are smooth and Phil's lines are fat and palpable. Vocals are clear and realistic. Jerry's axe is swinging but the drummers are not, save the cymbal work. Ambience is a 4 of 10, very little room/audience experience, borderline sterile. First set is history, second set just fired up with Scarlet and things are starting to groove. By the way, I don't think I have heard this show before, at least I cannot remember. I should also mention that I am drinking cheap rye whiskey and my jam/head-pump levels are increasing as the show blooms. The transition into Fire is lackluster, I am beginning to wonder what reeled (pun intended) Dick into this show? OK, the Fire jam is getting convincing. The crew is definitely trying to lock into something, something that will keep them from having to get day jobs. Estimated is hopped up on amphetamines, I prefer a slower more protracted groove, but it is unique to me and I appreciate the fresh take. Dang, Bob just did his wail thing and we dropped the pace into groovy territory. Oh yeah, I forgot Brent was in Grateful Dead, he is making his presence known. Eyes is up, **** is starting to get good, I think the mix is constantly being tweaked and whoever is in charge has got it dialed in, feeling the mids and drums. The entire band is pulsating, this is Latvala territory. Woah, Jerry and Brent just ditched the band, but the drummers are not having it! Mickey and the greatest drummer in the world sent the boys packing (or maybe they just left momentarily to drink some Heineken's and do drugs and stuff). Wait a dang minute! Is Jerry already done with his drugs? What in the sam hell is this Spinach Jam business...

    Week ending 10/15/1983, Top 10 radio:

    1 1 TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE HEART –•– Bonnie Tyler (Columbia)-14 (3 weeks at #1) (1)
    2 2 MAKING LOVE OUT OF NOTHING AT ALL –•– Air Supply (Arista)-12 (2)
    3 3 KING OF PAIN –•– The Police (A&M)-8 (3)
    4 4 TRUE –•– Spandau Ballet (Chrysalis)-11 (4)
    5 6 ISLANDS IN THE STREAM –•– Kenny Rogers with Dolly Parton (RCA)-8 (5)
    6 9 ONE THING LEADS TO ANOTHER –•– The Fixx (MCA)-8 (6)
    7 14 ALL NIGHT LONG (All Night) –•– Lionel Richie (Motown)-5 (7)
    8 8 THE SAFETY DANCE –•– Men Without Hats (Backstreet)-17 (3)
    9 7 TELL HER ABOUT IT –•– Billy Joel (Columbia)-12 (1)
    10 5 (She’s) SEXY + 17 –•– The Stray Cats (EMI-America)-11 (5)

    Do you understand? When it is put into context. When you shine a light on a single grateful dead show and then you recognize what was going on at that moment in time as the world spun? There is nothing, nothing, like a Grateful Dead show. You better get some.

    Technical details: All slabs of vinyl were perfectly flat. No significant defects. Minimal pops/clicks during quiet passages.
  5. footlooseman

    footlooseman Forum Resident

    at her feet
    trouble ahead
    trouble behind
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  6. rcb30

    rcb30 Forum Resident

    Richmond, VA
    Love that context, great point. I've thought about a version of this with regard to listening/collecting/organizing single artists, and how that approach tends to lose sight of the remarkable stream of music across rock coming out at a given point in time (e.g., some weeks in '69-'73 when it was, in retrospect, just unbelievable what albums were in the "new releases" section together at the local shop).

    To digress slightly -- top 2 songs on the charts both Jim Steinman compositions! I wonder when else, if ever, a songwriter had #1 and #2 via different artists.
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  7. bzfgt

    bzfgt Custom Title

    New Jersey
    Yeah, I just thought you were alluding to The Third Man.
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  8. bzfgt

    bzfgt Custom Title

    New Jersey
    I think the CM is better in the case of 11/14.
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  9. footlooseman

    footlooseman Forum Resident

    at her feet
    one of the great all time films and one of my moms favs she grew up in that era and loved the theme!
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  10. Crispy Rob

    Crispy Rob Forum Resident

    Oakland, CA
    Wait, are you saying that there is a re-release of DiP 8 with Cold Rain and Snow on it? On LP? Color me intrigued.
  11. unravelled

    unravelled Forum Resident

    Yes it's real...and it's spectacular

    Grateful Dead Dick’s Picks 8 IS SHIPPING NOW!!!

    Cool waxy sleeves for the records. CR&S included. only quibble is the front overlooks like they had to blow up the CD cover. Def not hi res but the music and the mix are top notch
  12. Crispy Rob

    Crispy Rob Forum Resident

    Oakland, CA
    The corollary to that is that Bob's cowboy tunes in the early '80s were sometimes "just like a Swiss watch."
  13. *Zod*

    *Zod* Forum Resident

    Connecticut, USA
    I actually really like a lot of those tunes :cool:
  14. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Forum Resident

    Speaking of fast/slow Eyes of the World, I'm just listening to 9-2-78, this has an unusual slow version for this era. (Or at least YTD.)

    I also noticed they opened 7-8-78 with a `74 style' Bertha, (less rocking shuffle, more funky and propelled by the bass,) but seemed to forget they were doing that during the 'ran into a rainstorm' part.

    Also, edit - why doesn't Windows Media Player have a BPM counter built in? (or is it that I can't find it? Googling gave me a bunch of software to download.) It's got that visualization thingy, which runs off the tempo of the music. Plus it's a computer... :rant: (I think we need an 'old man yells at cloud' emoticon next.)
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2018
  15. Six Bachelors

    Six Bachelors Troublemaking enthusiast

    The He's Gone> onwards may be the best part of that entire run.

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  16. US Blues

    US Blues Forum Resident

    It depends on the quality of your playback system. Waterbury is a (IMHO, with my ears, on my system) a substantial improvement over prior circulating sources, and I Know You Rider is patched with a contemporary SBD. All prior sources had a cassette generation in the lineage.

    San Diego is closer, and I feel it is still a notable improvement in sound quality. A fresh transfer of the master reels using the Plangent Process sounds better than a 20 +/- year old transfer to DAT, since the reels were properly stored and did not degrade over time. YMMV.

    Good luck!

    PS- If you ask us advice about spending your money, you'll soon be broke! :uhhuh:
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  17. rbbert

    rbbert Forum Resident

    Reno, NV, USA
    I would second the above.
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  18. pbuzby

    pbuzby Forum Resident

    Chicago, IL, US
    Oddly, the 30 Trips version of 11/14/73 has an audience patch in the transition from Truckin' to Other One while all Archive sources are unpatched SBD only.
  19. Dahabenzapple

    Dahabenzapple Forum Resident

    Livingston NJ
    First listen to non-officially released Dead played loud and it is, of course, Dark Star>SS>NFA>Lovelight from 9/19/70

    NFA is !!!!!!

    Thanks for the discs:)
  20. US Blues

    US Blues Forum Resident

    The Dark Star is no slouch either.
  21. Jack Cerro

    Jack Cerro Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure this was the worst show from a very excellent tour.

    The setlist looks amazing.

    Foolish Heart
    Mississippi 1/2 Step

    JBG set closer.


    Yet, every time I listen to this show it seems to me to be hollow and soulless. It doesn't help that the sbd source I have is amazing and lets me hear every nuance, but feels sterile and cold.

    The Bird Song is pretty but goes nowhere slow. In the end, the band just gives up on jamming it out. The Help>Slip>Franklins and the Samson, in particular, have always been a huge disappointment. No real spark.

    For context, this was the first night in Charlotte and the police went crazy arresting people. They had cameras in the parking lot and were busting people like crazy and processing them on site. It was so bad that many people just left Charlotte. People were handing out free tickets at the door the next night and I saw free tickets on the ground as I went into the show.

    I think the band picked up on the vibe.
  22. Jack Cerro

    Jack Cerro Well-Known Member

    The Dijon show sounds exceptionally good. That UJB...
  23. SBegonias17

    SBegonias17 Forum Resident

    I’d advise trying the Seamons Matrix, it doesn’t sound lifeless to me. I’d respectfully disagree that the second set lacks spark; however, I didn’t have the background as context.

    I’m through the first set of the next evening (10/23) and have to say it is a bit better than the first night so I get the opinion that 10/22 may be a weaker show among a monster tour.
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  24. *Zod*

    *Zod* Forum Resident

    Connecticut, USA
    looks like someone else "go into the act' in 1988
    The PA system must have been truly huge and the 2000 edition of the Guinness Book of World Records mentions it:
    "Largest PA system: On Aug 20th 1988 at the Castle Donnington 'Monsters of Rock' Festival a total of 360 Turbosound cabinets offering a potential 523kW of programme power, formed the largest front-of-house PA.
    The average Sound Pressure Level at the mixing tower was 118dB, peaking at a maximum of 124dB during Iron Maiden's set. It took five days to set up the system."
  25. ianuaditis

    ianuaditis Forum Resident

    118db? Owsley was getting that back in 66...
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