The Guess Who - Who Is Jocko?

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  1. Tin Whisker

    Tin Whisker Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    In the lyrics to "No Sugar Tonight / New Mother Nature" they mention "Jocko says 'yes'" and later "Jocko says 'no'".

    Who is this Jocko cat?
     
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  2. alchemy

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    Don't know, but Curt is The Walrus!
     
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  3. Tin Whisker

    Tin Whisker Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Indeed :)
     
  4. driverdrummer

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    I do know that Bus Rider was a Little Man riding upside down.
     
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  5. Larry Geller

    Larry Geller Surround sound lunatic

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    Jocko Homo.
     
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  6. Ignatius

    Ignatius Forum Resident

    It seems most Guess Who lyrics had genuine personal references, but I leave that to the experts to list.
    Anyway, Kurt was The Roast Beef.
     
  7. tootull

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    http://offthechartsdailydose.blogspot.ca/2013/09/no-sugar-tonightnew-mother-nature-by.html
    The second half of the song was also an unfinished piece written by Burton Cummings. At the beginning of this movement, is a verse about a man who's drug dealer, named Jocko, willingly sells him drugs, probably marijuana. The verse also includes the word "trippin" and the idea of "leaving them all behind". Like the Beatles line "I'd love to turn you on" this was probably influenced by Timothy Leery who advised people to "Tune in, turn on, and drop out" by using LSD.
     
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  8. lennonfan1

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    a bag of goodies and a bottle of wine....
     
  9. Comet01

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    I've read an interview in which Cummings said the the Roast Beef reference was to an unnamed roadie.
    However, Cummings is not the most reliable/honest interview subject.
     
  10. Ignatius

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    "The Roast Beef is gone". That's all I know. Which may not be much, I'm starting to think...
     
  11. dewey02

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    I always heard it as Jockomo.
     
  12. Folknik

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    Really? I thought Randy Bachman was the Roast Beef, due to the R.B. initials and the line in the live "American Woman" ("Whatcha gonna do now that the roast beef's gone?") after Randy was gone, but Kurt was there.
     
  13. Ignatius

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    To be honest I only remember having read John Einarson's "biography" of the band, and maybe wrongly remember a bit on Kurt Winter and the whole Roast Beef Postulate (as Dr. Sheldon Cooper sez). It's hard to remember what you didn't remember in the first place:doh:
     
  14. forthlin

    forthlin Member Chris & Vickie Cyber Support Team

    I don't know who Jocko was, but I believed him.
     
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  15. peteham

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    The 'Roast Beef' is Greg Leskiw, named so because he had (and presumably still has) a giant dick. He abruptly cut out on the 'Rockin'' tour hence the quasi dedication on the Paramount album of 'The Roast Beef is gone.'.
     
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  16. Comet01

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    Makes more sense than Cummings' roadie explanation.
     
  17. Folknik

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    I'm still searching for that book. It's out of print and outrageously priced.
     
  18. according to the liner notes for the American woman album jocko was a bass player for a band called the Rifkin who later changed their name to buckstone hardware
     
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  19. Ralph Wiber

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  20. Ralph Wiber

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    https://mobile.twitter.com/burtoncummings/status/465800978445250561
     
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  21. Daily Nightly

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    Nickname for their producer Jack Richardson:shh:
     
  22. Folknik

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    Although this line appeared on Wheatfield Soul long before Kurt Winter joined the band, I always wondered if the reference was to Winter. After just recently finding and reading a copy of John Einarson's out-of-print bio American Woman: The Story of the Guess Who, I learned that it was indeed a reference to Kurt Winter. It seems they already knew him some years before he joined the band after Randy Bachman's departure/sacking.
     
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  23. alchemy

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    Is it true?
    That the Walrus does strange things to the veins in his left arm?
     
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  24. bekayne

    bekayne Senior Member

    And Michael was a moonbeam maker.
     
  25. Well, sure.
    Burton was a big fan of Kurt's group Brother.
    So much so that when Kurt finally joined the Guess Who, quite a few Brother songs became GW material.
     
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