The History of Compact Disc thread. Information wanted.

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by innercircle, Jul 8, 2006.

  1. Black Elk

    Black Elk Music Lover

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    Not entirely. While it is true that Sony's Norio Ohga was heavily into classical music (he was a trained opera singer and often conducted orchestras around the World), it seems that the story about the Ninth was simply a delaying tactic on his part to allow Sony to catch up with Philips in terms of disc production capability. Philips had everything in place to make 11.5 cm discs. Sony then scuppered that with a change to 12 cm to apparently accommodate a long version of the Ninth.
     
  2. tomcat

    tomcat Senior Member

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    Maybe I thought that all the CD players decoded pre-emphasis properly because the Sony CDP-101 actually was my first player in 1983!
     
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  3. innercircle

    innercircle Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Friends, if I'm right the clue to obtain the first 50 titles released by Columbia/Sony, are the 35DP catalog numbers, I only know a few, help wanted to complete the list:

    35DP-1 Billy Joel-52nd Street
    35DP-2 Billy Joel-The Stranger
    35DP-3 Boz Scaggs-Middle Man (?)
    35DP-4 Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here
    35DP-5 Toto-Turn Back
    35DP-6 Journey-Escape
    35DP-7
    35DP-8
    35DP-9
    35DP-10
    35DP-11
    35DP-12
    35DP-13
    35DP-14
    35DP-15
    35DP-16 Miles Davis-The Man With The Horn
    35DP-17
    35DP-18 Billy Joel-Glass Houses

    35DP-42 Toto-Hydra

    All the rest are missing.
     
  4. Black Elk

    Black Elk Music Lover

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    It seems from this site:

    http://translate.google.com/transla...en&lr=&safe=off&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2004-22,RNWE:en

    that there were other series among the first 50 titles.

    35DP-7 - Barbra Streisand - Guilty
    35DP-8 - Weather Report - Night Passage
    35DP-9 - Al DiMeola/John McLaughlin/Paco De Lucia - Friday Night In San Francisco
    35DP-10 - Bob James/Earl Klugh - One On One
    35DP-11 - Boz Scaggs - Hits!
    35DP-12 - Toto - IV
    35DP-13 - Simon & Garfunkel - Collection
    35DP-14 - Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water
    35DP-15 - Earth, Wind & Fire - Gratitude (?)

    35DP-17 - The Herbie Hancock Trio With Ron Carter And Tony Williams (?)

    The ? indicate where I'm not 100% certain of my ability to decipher the Japanese to English translation.
     
  5. gener8tr

    gener8tr Senior Member

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    Good information, Kent!

    I swear I remember CD's being a bit closer to $30.00, however (at least here in Portland). Regardless of exact price, however, I SPECIFICALLY remember my sophomore year of H.S. (1983 / 1984) saying "No one will ever buy these, they're too expensive. I can get a cassette tape for $6.99 and it sounds just as good."

    I do remember all of the early pressings being housed in longboxes and or blister packs (damn those were difficult to open)!
     
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  6. 35DP-20 Boz Scaggs 'Silk Degrees'

    35DP-24 ELO 'Discovery'
     
  7. reverber

    reverber Senior Member

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    IIRC, the "35" prefix indicated a suggested list price of 3500 Yen. This was at a time when LPs retailed for 2500 Yen. And the US Dollar was worth 200-250 Yen. Why oh why didn't I buy more Japanese target CDs when I was in high school? :(


    COdy
     
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  8. gener8tr

    gener8tr Senior Member

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    35DP 25
    ASIA - ASIA
     
  9. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    35DP 21 is Bruce Springsteen Born to Run. To erase innercircle's doubt, 35DP 3 is indeed Boz Scaggs Middle Man.
     
  10. reverber

    reverber Senior Member

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    Lawrence KS, USA
    Some more:
    From http://homepages.tesco.net/~alan.bunting/cdtracks.htm
    35DP-48 LATIN HIT SOUNDS (Compilation CD)
    35DP-50 SCREEN MUSIC SPECIAL (Compilation CD)

    From http://shop.seesaa.jp/pages/search?category_id=&keywords=%89%CC%82%A4
    35DP-49 GREENFIELDS 青春を歌う (sorry, but my kanji reading has mostly gone bye bye)

    From Google cache
    35DP-47 Andy Williams - Love Standard
    35DP-46 Weather Report - Procession
    35DP-45 Journey - Frontiers
    35DP-44 Earth Wind and Fire - Powerlight


    from http://keithhirsch.freeservers.com/custom4.html
    35DP-25 Asia - Asia
    35DP-26 Karla Bonoff - Wild Heart of the Young
    35DP-30 Al Di Meola Electric Rendezvous
    35DP-41 Al Di Meola Tour de Force -- Live

    Whew!

    Cody
     
  11. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    It was mentioned that the first CD produced in the U.S. was Bruce Springsteen Born in the U.S.A. Specifically, the original U.S. edition has red text on the disc instead of black. This version is extremely rare. (I'm still looking for a copy.)

    CBS/Sony produced another disc in the U.S. at the same time, The Edison CD Sampler. It is a promotional CD of historic sound recordings. Like the "red" version of Born in the U.S.A., the Edison disc is very rare. Both discs were given to attendees of the commemoration of the DADC plant in Terre Haute in September 1984. I've heard it said that some red copies of Born in the U.S.A. made it into stores, but I do not know if that is true. The Edison disc was never sold commercially.

    As a final note, a similar Edison disc was also produced for the commemoration of the DADC plant in Austria in 1987. This second version has one fewer track than the one produced in 1984 at the U.S. DADC plant.
     
  12. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    Maybe I'll start a spreadsheet of 35DP titles. I've been meaning to do that for awhile.

    A few higher-number 35DP discs that immediately come to mind:

    35DP 32: Bob James Hands Down
    35DP 62: Miles Davis Kind of Blue
    35DP 64: Miles Davis Someday My Prince Will Come
    35DP 65: Miles Davis My Funny Valentine: Miles Davis In Concert
    35DP 66: Miles Davis "Four" & More: Recorded Live In Concert
    35DP 67: Miles Davis Miles in Tokyo: Miles Davis Live In Concert
    35DP 68: Miles Davis Miles in Berlin
    35DP 69: Miles Davis E.S.P.
    35DP 70: Miles Davis In a Silent Way
    35DP 71: Bob James The Genie (Themes & Variations from "Taxi")
    35DP 72: Electric Light Orchestra Secret Messages
    35DP 80: Asia Alpha
    35DP 82: Herbie Hancock Future Shock
    35DP 93: Bob James Foxie
    35DP 93: Bob Dylan Infidels
    35DP 99: Bob Dylan Greatest Hits
    35DP 103: Irene Cara What a Feelin'
    35DP 105: Earth, Wind & Fire Electric Universe
    35DP 109: Billy Joel Piano Man
    35DP 110: Billy Joel Streetlife Serenade
    35DP 111: Billy Joel Turnstiles
    35DP 200: Soundtrack to the XXIIIrd Olympiad
     
  13. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    No way, man! "Brothers In Arms" came out in 1985. The compact disc made it's debut in 1982.
     
  14. reverber

    reverber Senior Member

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    35DP-37 Annie - Soundtrack
    35DP-36 Third World - You've Got the Power
    35DP-35 Bertie Higgins - Casablanca
    35DP-34 Billy Joel - The Nylon Curtain
    35DP-32 Bob James - Hands Down
    35DP-31 Herbie Hancock - Lite Me Up
    35DP-38 Willie Nelson - You Were Always on My Mind


    "... and I'm spent!"


    Cody
     
  15. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    The first CDs were classical music. CBS/Sony Japan may have issued Billy Joel's "52nd Street" first, but it's not the first compact disc.
     
  16. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    The 35DP 1 release of 52nd Street is widely held as the first CD sold commercially. CBS/Sony released it when it launched the format on October 1, 1982 in Japan. That's what I've read many times.
     
  17. SamS

    SamS Forum Legend

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    More info please.

    I have only hearsay information that Denon produced/recorded/manufactured the earliest classical CD back in '82.
     
  18. soundboy

    soundboy Senior Member

    Does the letters "DP" stand for anything?
     
  19. JorgeGvb

    JorgeGvb Senior Member

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    A few more...

    35DP 58 Santana - Abraxas
    35DP 77 Billy Joel - An Innocent Man
    35DP 148 Steve Perry - Street Talk
    35DP 164 Bruce Springsteen - Born In The USA
    35DP 888 Billy Joel - Kohuept
     
  20. innercircle

    innercircle Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Monterrey, Mexico
    Last list compiled:

    35DP-1 Billy Joel-52nd Street
    35DP-2 Billy Joel-The Stranger
    35DP-3 Boz Scaggs-Middle Man
    35DP-4 Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here
    35DP-5 Toto-Turn Back
    35DP-6 Journey-Escape
    35DP-7 Barbra Streisand - Guilty
    35DP-8 Weather Report - Night Passage
    35DP-9 Al DiMeola/John McLaughlin/Paco De Lucia - Friday Night In San Francisco
    35DP-10 Bob James/Earl Klugh - One On One
    35DP-11 Boz Scaggs - Hits!
    35DP-12 Toto - IV
    35DP-13 Simon & Garfunkel - Collection
    35DP-14 Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water
    35DP-15 Earth, Wind & Fire - Gratitude
    35DP-16 Miles Davis-The Man With The Horn
    35DP-17 The Herbie Hancock Trio With Ron Carter And Tony Williams
    35DP-18 Billy Joel-Glass Houses
    35DP-19 Billy Joel-Songs In The Attic
    35DP-20 Boz Scaggs-Silk Degrees
    35DP-21 Bruce Springsteen-Born To Run
    35DP-22
    35DP-23
    35DP-24 ELO-Discovery
    35DP-25 Asia-Asia
    35DP-26 Karla Bonoff-Wild Heart of the Young
    35DP-27
    35DP-28
    35DP-29
    35DP-30 Al Di Meola Electric Rendezvous
    35DP-31 Herbie Hancock - Lite Me Up
    35DP-32 Bob James Hands Down
    35DP-33
    35DP-34 Billy Joel - The Nylon Curtain
    35DP-35 Bertie Higgins - Casablanca
    35DP-36 Third World - You've Got the Power
    35DP-37 Annie - Soundtrack
    35DP-38 Willie Nelson - You Were Always on My Mind
    35DP-41 Al Di Meola Tour de Force-Live
    35DP-42 Toto-Hydra
    35DP-43
    35DP-44 Earth, Wind & Fire-Powerlight
    35DP-45 Journey - Frontiers
    35DP-46 Weather Report - Procession
    35DP-47 Andy Williams - Love Standard
    35DP-48 Latin Hit Sounds (Compilation CD)
    35DP-49 Greenfields-?????
    35DP-50 Screen Music Special (Compilation CD)
    35DP-51
    35DP-52
    35DP-53
    35DP-54
    35DP-55 Miles Davis-Star People
    35DP-56 Santana-Havana Moon
    35DP-57
    35DP-58 Santana - Abraxas
    35DP-59
    35DP-60
    35DP-61
    35DP-62 Miles Davis-Kind of Blue
    35DP-63
    35DP-64 Miles Davis Someday-My Prince Will Come
    35DP-65
    35DP-66 Miles Davis "Four" & More: Recorded Live In Concert
    35DP-67 Miles Davis Miles in Tokyo: Miles Davis Live In Concert
    35DP-68 Miles Davis Miles in Berlin
    35DP-69 Miles Davis E.S.P.
    35DP-70 Miles Davis In a Silent Way
    35DP-71 Bob James The Genie (Themes & Variations from "Taxi")
    35DP-72 Electric Light Orchestra Secret Messages
    35DP-73
    35DP-74
    35DP-75
    35DP-76
    35DP-77 Billy Joel - An Innocent Man
    35DP-78
    35DP-79
    35DP-80 Asia Alpha
    35DP-81
    35DP-82 Herbie Hancock Future Shock
    35DP-83
    35DP-84
    35DP-85
    35DP-86
    35DP-87
    35DP-88
    35DP-89
    35DP-90
    35DP-91
    35DP-92
    35DP-93 Bob Dylan Infidels
    35DP-94
    35DP-95
    35DP-96
    35DP-97
    35DP-98
    35DP-99 Bob Dylan Greatest Hits
    35DP-100

    There are only a few missing.
     
  21. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    I always assumed that 'D' stood for disc and 'P' for pop. Granted that many jazz titles were released in the 35DP series, but I still believe that the 'P' is for pop. Note that classical titles were released in the 38DC and 35DC series.

    As a side note, 35DP discs say "DIGITAL MASTERING". 38DP discs (3800 yen) say "DIGITIAL RECORDING".
     
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  22. innercircle

    innercircle Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    And you know if the 35 8 P are second issues? or are first issues from other series?
     
  23. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    The 35 8P discs are all Epic titles. I have no idea what the significance of the 8 is, but I believe Japanese Epic LPs of the era also have an 8 in the catalog number prefix.
     
  24. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    35DP 19 is Billy Joel Songs in the Attic. As was stated here by another member, 35DP 44 is Earth, Wind & Fire Powerlight.
     
  25. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    Well, we must make the distinction between commercial, promotional and test CDs. I recall reviewers critiquing classical CDs just before the introduction of the format to the world.
     

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