The "Official" All Purpose Heavy Metal and Hard Rock Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by GodShifter, Jul 3, 2014.

  1. Dr Mike

    Dr Mike Forum Resident

    He gave up doing the harsh vocals for a while after his solo album, but his "clean" voice is terrific. He was incredibly productive for many years until he got a case of writer's block about a decade ago, though he's bounced back in recent years with Witherscape and new Nightingale.
     
  2. Natvecal.

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    He does have a singers voice outside the Death Metal realm.
     
  3. Natvecal.

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    Spiral Architect
    Math Metal doe to it's fullest capacity and extent as I recall at time of this release! I applaud the venture! Heady music not for the simple riff (4/4 beat) listener!:laugh:
     
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  4. dmiller458

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    When did the growl and the shriek and the roar become standardized vocal styles? It's a bit of stretch to think of extreme metal as having been commercialized and re-commercialized in the same way as mainstream rock. But isn't that what melodic death and symphonic black represent?

    An underground scene is played out when it hits the mainstream. Before I moved to Miami in 95, I remember sitting at traffic lights and hearing teens in the other cars blasting Legion and Heartworks. The fact that the music had made it to Michigan and that I recognized those albums speaks for itself.
     
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  5. Natvecal.

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    I didn't mention or mean ;Mainstream.Within "underground" music there was less of the contrasting vocals within a band's music and later that seemed more prevalent to me(operative words here-to me)so, that was when the novelty of it was wearing off for myself.Maybe it was just a greater appreciation for it when it was less and lesser when it became more (Alt-Metal didn't help this with the soft/husky/wispery verse vocals building to hardcore-esque/bellowings /ranting/raving mad screaming of the choruses that for me got rather predictable in a short period of time. Again only as how it came across -to me.IMHO
    BTW,Happy New Year:D
     
  6. dmiller458

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    I'll address the substance of your post later. But you're going to have to help me out here. Why do you constantly use these unnecessary italics and underlines?
     
  7. Jeff Kent

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    All I know is that it blossomed when I was moving away from metal in the early 90s. I grew up on Dickinson, Halford, Dio etc. and when I looked away bands like Death and Obituary had popped up. This was also the era of Great Hyphenation. Metal became a thing of the past and was replaced by Black-Death-Goth-Doom-Stoner, Power, Prog- et al., you could throw Grindcore in there too even though it lacks the requisite punctuation.
     
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  8. dmiller458

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    IMO that happened in the early-to-mid 80s with thrash- and glam-metal.
     
  9. Jeff Kent

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    Yeah I realized that and you're right. But I feel like it really exploded a few years later. Thrash and Glam sort of existed on their own.
     
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  10. Natvecal.

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    What are you even talking about? I don't do that at all!:whistle:
     
  11. Natvecal.

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    On a serious note,
    I'm very expressive vocally and like to use my hands a lot for emphasis.
    I am not well versed on the keyboard here(this Forum is the most typing I've done the whole time we've had a PC and type writer of the past(I hated typing)
    I am very bad at wording/sentence structure/keeping on point/over cluttering my replies here,ect(you get the point)and feel free to add any I failed to mention.
    This is my first Forum (heck ,I don't even Facebook,twitter,nada....)
    I feel limited by the format of text and therefore feel the need to enforce my points among my clutter of sentences in a vain attempt to to convey to who so ever read my atrocities of the English language ;how I think they should hear me through reading.
    Godshifter has pointed this out awhile ago on another thread
    I'm just saying my thoughts based on my experiences. I don't claim to know more than anyone else here. Just a POV.
    My guess would be no matter what I know.There's easily 100 members here that know more about it.So, I'm in no contest with anyone here as most of this Forum is out of my league and really not out to prove anything or step on toes.

    there's some context (and off points) to understand the Why of how I post.
    I will work on my "Brickwalling" my own posts ha ha:doh:
     
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  12. weekendtoy

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    Spiral Architect is good stuff. Watchtowers 2016 album Concepts of Match was pretty good as well, short but good.

     
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  13. Doggiedogma

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    Yeah - bands like Death, Morbid Angel, Napalm Death , Bolt Thrower, brought in the 'cookie monster" vocals for good or bad.
     
  14. dmiller458

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    We also had the black metal shriek come along at the same time. But black never got the same kind of foothold here or in the UK the way that death did.
     
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  15. Natvecal.

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    I found it amazing as I enjoy challenging music. Math Metal side effect for me was,I really wanted to here some of the riffs/grooves longer! As I thought there was some great catchy parts within some songs.Where as some metal bands use a great groove /riff in a song too much( or overplayed) if that makes sense? IMHO, I would dilute both sides of this issue equally to have my dream metal music.:laugh:
     
  16. Doggiedogma

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    Yeah - "black metal" became popular in Scandinavia - Immortal, Mayhem, Bathory - these bands were musically influential, again, for good or bad. But it did start in the UK with Venom and expand to Netherlands and US with Mercyful Fate and Slayer.
     
  17. weekendtoy

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    Sounds to me like your describing more traditional progressive metal. I've been on a Vanden Plas kick lately...

     
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  18. dmiller458

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    One band isn't quite the same thing as a thriving regional or national scene. California is bigger than all the Scandinavian nations combined. The US is too large for any one underground scene to completely dominate. Ours are more based on our major metros, such as San Francisco and Tampa.
     
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  19. dmiller458

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    I used mainstream twice in that post and I should have been clearer on the context the second time. When I said "An underground scene is played out when it hits the mainstream.", I meant the metal mainstream. Though it's strange to think of metal as even having a mainstream.

    My post was in reply to your referencing death metal singer Dan Swano. but here you're talking about alternative metal vocals which are two completely different animals.

    But whether it was extreme or alternative, the vocal styles became standardized almost overnight. It didn't take long for the bloom to come off the rose either way.
     
  20. Natvecal.

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    I agree with that statement. Look,I liked the first two Fear Factory CDs and Dan Swano to me was even better at that clean to growls . I reread my Dan Swano post you refer to and can understand the "clean/growls/roars" to be not clear enough in what I meant as Clean to growls/roars to clean,ect.... It's the vocal technique used of clean to extreme and back that created a fresher styling within the genera and opening up what was till then becoming limiting.And I liked that. Just as Cynic was exploring guitar synthesizer territory it opened up more possibilities for a band not to get boxed in .But,the vocals for Cynic neutered that progress IMO. Devin Townsend,Dan Swano,even Burton C. Bell could have done wonders with Cynic's musical frontiers.My example there of vocals not limiting the music created. Anyway, , that vocal blueprint got picked up fairly quickly and Nu-Metal (alt Metal was a mislabel I think) works well with that vocal pattern(clean/heavy/clean/heavy)and Nu-Metal got fairly big just as I was getting very over that vocal styling is what I was saying.FF and Dan Swano before them there were others exploring that,right? But I picked up on it with these guys and sort of lost it later when it was less unique?is my long winded point(with off-points included):laugh:
     
  21. Brenald79

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    The Struts '14 album re-issued in '16 is Eddie Trunk's top album of '17.
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  22. dmiller458

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    The local active rock station has played the sh... stuff out of Could Have Been Me and Kiss This.
     
  23. slipkid

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    Been getting into this album tonight. Really dig it.

    Blacktop Mojo - Burn the Ships (2017)

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    I don't have time to write a review so I'll just reference these instead.

    Blacktop Mojo Release Title Track Off of Upcoming LP, 'Burn The Ships'

    Track List:
    1 Where The Wind Blows
    2 End Of Days
    3 Burn The Ships
    4 Prodigal
    5 Shadows On The Wall
    6 Sweat
    7 Pyromaniac
    8 8000 Lines
    9 Dog On A Leash
    10 Make A Difference
    11 Chains
    12 Dream On
    13 Underneath

    “If Soundgarden and Lynyrd Skynyrd were to take a roll in the hay, nine months later, out would pop Blacktop Mojo.”

    Formed in September 2012, armed with a simple demo and a dream, they set out to play as many shows as they could, touring and sharing the stage (with the likes of Aaron Lewis, Saving Abel, & Puddle of Mudd, among others.) During that time, Blacktop Mojo’s self-released their first studio album ‘I Am’ back in 2014. Time has not been wasted since their debut album release. Everything on this journey has led them to this most important moment in their career. The band’s latest offering Burn the Ships is an instant rock’ n roll masterpiece featuring the soon to be classic songs “Where The Wind Blows” and “Dog On A Leash”. Produced by Philip Mosley and mixed and mastered by Austin Deptula. This latest album release will launch Blacktop Mojo into the elite company of some of the great rock bands of all time.


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    http://www.foxforcefivenews.com/bla...k-to-life-on-new-album-burn-the-ships-review/

    Rock and roll is dead. Or rather… rock and roll WAS dead and Blacktop Mojo just poured a bottle of whiskey down its throat and took the damn defibrillators to town on that bitch until it woke the hell up. ‘Burn The Ships’ is one of the best heavy music albums I’ve heard in a long time. Equal parts grunge and southern rock, Blacktop Mojo just might be the best REAL band in North America since The Black Keys decided to just play the blues. Lead singer Matt James is just as strong as Shinedown’s Brent Smith and his work on their cover of Aerosmith’s ‘Dream On’ is nothing short of stunning.

    Shadows on The Wall’ is one of my favourite cuts on the effort and it reminded me of classics like Soundgarden’s ‘Outshined’ or Alice in Chains’ ‘Rooster’. Blacktop Mojo are still strong when they slow it down too and I like a band that can still retain it’s energy and presence on the ballads like album closer ‘Underneath’, which reminded me of Goo Goo Dolls (that’s a good thing man – when you can slow it down and still make the men pay attention, then you’ve struck gold). Ryan Kiefer and Kenneth Irwin’s guitarwork is stellar while Matt Curtis (bass) and Nathan Gillis (drums) round out one of the tightest bands in the USA.

    There are so many brilliant songs on ‘Burn The Ships’ that I’m floored to be honest. From the killer album opener ‘Where The Wind Blows’ which has shades of of Copperhead Road-era Steve Earle all the way to blistering tracks like ‘Pyromaniac’ featuring lyrics like “Watch me burn out. I lit the flame myself. Don’t breathe in the smoke, you fool. Don’t wanna watch you choke” – this record is an album of the year contender. Believe it.



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    Review: Blacktop Mojo – ‘Burn The Ships’ - Devils Gate Media

    It’s been a good few weeks for East Texans, Blacktop Mojo. They opened for Bon Jovi (after winning a contest on lil Jon’s website), the video for their cover of ‘Dream On’ hit 1M likes on YouTube, and Classic Rock magazine said that they “might just be the next big American rock band”… not too shabby, as praise goes. The boys from Palestine… no, the other one (finally slipped a Die Hard reference in! Life goals!), are riding on a crest of glowing reviews, and not-so-quietly building up a head of steam. Sophomore album, ‘Burn The Ships’ is beginning to make people sit up and notice in a way that the American rock scene has perhaps lacked since the early days of Alter Bridge. A band playing what could be perceived as classic hard rock with a modern day twist. Crunching sludgy riffs, anthemic hooks, and a ballad or two for the suits at drivetime radiBeginning with a short southern acoustic guitar intro, opening track, ‘Where The Wind Blows’ soon settles into four minutes of crushing riffs and pounding beats. Almost grunge in its execution, but at the same time, it displays a post grunge groove missing from the golden days of Seattle. The lead guitar work from Ryan Kiefer is top notch as he lets fly on his solos. Impressive stuff. The banjo-like picking towards the end is a nice nod towards the band’s Southern roots. ‘End Of Days’ crushes like a rampaging rhino, as does the title track, which is all about the drum sound from Nathan Gillis. Simply massive. Bassist, Matt Curtis, gets his moment in the spotlight with a few chunky bass fills, as he also does on ‘8000 Lines’. Good work, fella. Listen to the song a few times, and you might pick up a few influences. I heard classic Black Sabbath jams towards the end, coupled with Iommi-sized riffs. 15 minutes into the album, and it’s clear to see how important the guitars are to Blacktop Mojo, from the skull crushing riffs of Ryan Kiefer, to the vital rhythms from Kenneth Irwin.

    The tempo slows down a notch on a few occasions, namely; ‘Prodigal’, ‘Make A Difference’ (complete with trippy guitars in the background), and ‘Underneath’, which all retain a bite, despite the change of pace. The middle of the album is chock-full of sludgy riffs (‘Sweat’), slow-building head bangers (‘Pyromainac’) and the swampy bruiser that is ‘Dog On A Leash’. The cover of ‘Dream On’, I touched on earlier. 1 million views on YouTube? Unbelievable that a fledgling band can get those numbers, but when you hear how good the cover is, then maybe not quite as unbelievable. Taking on Aerosmith is ballsy enough, but bypassing ‘Walk This Way’ or ‘Sweet Emotion’ for the ultimate power ballad displays cajones of King Kong proportions. Sweet baby Jesus, these guys nail it… no massive changes or reimagining, just a faithful version of a bonafide classic. First listen, I’m curious to see wether or not vocalist Matt James could hit the high notes towards the end, the glass-shattering notes where Steven Tyler makes the hairs stand on end. Well cover me in honey and throw me on the grill, the boy knocks it out of the park! Totally, totally nails it. Job. ****ing. Done. Best cover of an Aerosmith song, period. The flipside of this is the risk that ‘Burn The Ships’, and in turn, Blacktop Mojo, will be defined by a cover. That risk evaporates with each listen of the album. There is more than enough bangers on ‘Burn The Ships’ to ensure that ‘Dream On’ is merely the icing on the cake.

    The next few steps for Blacktop Mojo will be crucial in building on the momentum that’s gathering. Live dates are a must, and getting them on “classic rock Sunday” at Download in June is another.






    Heck, I like their version of Dream On more than Aerosmith's! That reviewer above don't lie.



    I think this link is the whole album if yer curious. The Soundgarden crossed with Skynyrd reference in the first review above is a pretty good description.
    Blacktop Mojo - "Burn The Ships" (Full Album)
     
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  24. Natvecal.

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    You're right. They do a good job of that song! Nails that high scream really well at the end.:righton:

    BTW, when I first read the first line of your post I originally thought this a Stuck Mojo thing ha ha...
     
  25. Dreadnought

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    Pretty safe. I think I'd like a rendition that goes off the rails some for the chorus. Get some careening fuzz in there. Sonic Youth and their cover of The Carpenter's Superstar crossed my mind but I looked at it and no. Way too soft and wrong vocal. That Black Mojo singer is much better suited.

    Unfamiliar with The Struts I watched both videos with the guy who is channeling Jagger/Tyler/Mercury and in my own best interest I think it best to not say a word. Instead I'll give a visual approximation of my reaction.

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