The SugarCube SC-2 Is Here At Last...Clicks & Pops R.I.P.

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by DigMyGroove, Nov 12, 2017.

  1. ghost rider

    ghost rider Well-Known Member

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    okay I got it. I figured as much when I looked at it. Looks to me both models can be used for drop thur the usb and line out for pass-thur. Me different from many of you if a record has so many pops that I'm annoyed listening to it directly I don't want to play more than once just to prolong the life of my cartridge and I would rather hear how it sounds without masking the surface noise.
     
  2. amgradmd

    amgradmd Active Member

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    I'd be curious how the Silvercube SC-2 does with vinyl rips compared to ripping to PC/Mac with Vinyl Studio.
     
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  3. Strat-Mangler

    Strat-Mangler Forum Resident

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    Easily verifiable. By setting the knob to zero, the SC-2 should capture the unadulterated audio.
     
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  4. Strat-Mangler

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    Found this on the topic.

    "It provides a USB 3.0 interface to connect any size of USB attached storage and Ethernet to save files to a NAS drive or media server."
     
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  5. DigMyGroove

    DigMyGroove Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    The SugarCube joins your network so the phone app can be used to operate it should you so wish. It does not connect to the internet in order to do it's main function, noise removal. For recording once the app is in full release it will, just like iTunes connect to a database to retrieve all the metadata and artwork.

    I listened to the recording I made of side one of Exile On Main Street again today, this time at work with better headphones, I'm even more impressed now than upon first listening.
     
  6. DigMyGroove

    DigMyGroove Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Dan and Leo said that would be something you could do once the complete app is available along with any firmware updates they might offer.
     
  7. Bananas&blow

    Bananas&blow Forum Resident

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    Thank you for the reviews on a fascinating product. I hate clicks and pops. Does it work equally well with scratches as other surface noise?
     
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  8. DigMyGroove

    DigMyGroove Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    It does, but you need to turn up the dial to 7 or higher. I have an early pressing of the Doors debut that has fabulous sonics but has had lots of abuse during it's long life. It was especially bad during "The End". The SC-2 took away all the bad stuff, but on that track I turned it up to 8 or 9 I think. Nonetheless this $2 garage sale find sounded terrific and lost none of it's analog sound. It's when playing a record like this that it's fun to here the noise on it's own and really appreciate what the SugarCube is capable of.
     
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  9. Drew769

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    I had a chance to hear these at the NY Audio Show last year, and I have to admit they were pretty impressive - especially the demonstration of the unit on a live record with a very loud scratch running throughout delivering a crisp "pop" on every revolution. Switched on, the vinyl was as quiet as a CD, switched off again, it was a mess. It's very much like the effect of Vinyl Studio on pops and clicks, but with the difference of being able to do the repairs "live" as you listen.

    I suppose such a device could pay for itself billowing cheap, damaged vinyl to be played like much cleaner vinyl. Since I play mostly pristine vinyl myself, it's not much of an attraction to me personally. I thought I detected a little bit of softening or dulling of the sound from the repairs, much like Vinyl Studio does when you overuse the click and pop repair. Personal preference, I guess.
     
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  10. 56GoldTop

    56GoldTop Forum Resident

    Any word if/when these will hit the streets?
     
  11. Chris Schoen

    Chris Schoen Forum Resident

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    I record to tape, and have records with no pops or clicks.
     
  12. Chris Schoen

    Chris Schoen Forum Resident

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    This device will come in handy when the only records out there are scratched up, hipster abused vinyl. Timely...
     
  13. Bananas&blow

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    I agree. LPs scratched up by hippies and stoners from the 70's sound so much better than scratched hipster records :).
     
  14. Chris Schoen

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    My records from the 70's are pristine. I was smart enough not to let anyone "handle" them.
     
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  15. Bananas&blow

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    I need to read up more on this. I like the fact you can have a straight bypass for the clean records in your collection. I have many a record that would go from irritating to enjoyable apparently. I never thought this would be possible. It would be fun to listen to my "return/garbage" pile of records. I think it's probably time for me to get past my fear of digitizing the analogue sound of records. The benefits of room correction software, a la, the LS-50 wireless models and the SugarCube produce would probably convince me if I heard them in person.

    It sort of sounds like turning your records into CD's, but I guess there is more to it than that, better masterings for example.
     
  16. stuwee

    stuwee Well-Known Member

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    I smell a rat, and a nasty smelling one too! Bring one to Tucson and my ears with the Summit's and the AKG 701's will let me know!

    I've never heard a click and pop remover, analog or digital that didn't ruin everything I worked so hard to build, sorry to the OP, I admit I've never heard one (the SC-2)...they can't have possibly jumped that far ahead in the last decade. So as I said, anyone close in the SW with one of these, you are invited to change my mind
     
  17. stuwee

    stuwee Well-Known Member

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    B&b, even done some Lp to a nice cassette or RtR on a good tape mastering? It depends on if it's a true AAD recording, or a DDD, some very nice work going on on the digital front end of recording. Most sounds much nicer on a good analog recorder...

    We all like what we like, some the noise free (subjective to many ears), some the effects of a diamond vibrating through a ditch of grooves, just like real music, heheh!

    Ton's of digital instruments used in the last couple decades, give me a well recorded drum kit, vintage guitar and bass anytime!!
     
  18. c-eling

    c-eling Forum Resident

    Two good test records would be Front 242's Front by Front and New Order's Technique on the song Vanishing Point.
    Even the most sensitive setting on a de-clicker for the drum start has an adverse affect for some reason.
     
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  19. amgradmd

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    I hear you but I was thinking along the lines of how the Silvercube would do with ripping with click repair versus ripping with Vinyl Studio's click repair. Granted, that will depend on the quality of your ADC/PC setup, in my case a PS Audio NuWave Phono Converter with Mac Mini. I think the VS does a great job of click repair and processing the files, but it would be nice to compare head to head.

    Maybe if some wanted, I could take an old LP with lots of clicks and pops (I use Nitty Gritty VCM with MoFi enzyme cleaner and several rinses so I get them as clean as possible!) and rip it with my setup and then send it to someone with the Silvercube and have them rip it with de-clicking and compare. We could even post the files to d/l and let people choose. I think that'd be fun! I have an old copy of Miles Davis My Funny Valentine that would do the trick. It's fairly beat up but has decent sonics. Anyone game??
     
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  20. Strat-Mangler

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    @krisbee has a theory that since ClickRepair RT has been taken off the (virtual) shelves that there might've been some sort of exclusivity deal allowing Sweet Vinyl to use that product or something revamped specifically for their STBs which is in fact maybe even more sophisticated now. Personally, it wouldn't surprise me if the SC-1 and 2 were inherently superior to anything else out there at the moment as it's the latest and possibly greatest product of its kind.

    The phono preamp would color the sound of the results, wouldn't it?
     
  21. chervokas

    chervokas Forum Resident

    This kind of thing seems like a solution in search of a problem to me. Do people really have such crappy, beat-up or filthy dust and hair covered records that they're listening to a lot of snap, crackle and pop? Honestly, I have 3 or 4 thousand LPs, and yeah, some of them I bought used and were noisy from surface ticks from poor playing conditions; some of them I've played a lot over 40 years including under high school and college conditions and they're noisy because I didn't play them under the best of conditions or care for them well as a kid; some were just not great pressings -- the surfaces where whoosh or the vinyl had bumps (which may or may not be the kind of thing that this sort of product could fix anyway); but by far the majority of them play tick and pop free. And to solve the non-problem by digitizing the signal? I'm perfectly happy just listening to CDs or digital files when I want a no mechanical noise digital playback instead of turning my LPs into digitized versions. I don't get the point of this product. Now, off-centeredness, eccentricity, THAT's a ubiquitous vinyl problem. Ticks & pops? Not so much.
     
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  22. c-eling

    c-eling Forum Resident

    I doubt I'll ever find another mono Parsley, Sage for a 1.00 ever again- that could definitely use some help in the pop n' click arena :laugh:
     
  23. amgradmd

    amgradmd Active Member

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    It's interesting to speculate where they got the tech or even if it's new at all.

    As far as the preamp coloring the sound, of course it would! One thing you could do is to record a song before and after the de-clicking both on the Sweetvinyl unit and I could do the same. You'd first of all get a sense for the sound of the preamps used and how they compare to one another. If one has more detail, bass, treble extension, etc. Then you could compare how the sound is changed, if at all, by de-clicking. I guess really the delta between the before and after results within the same systems would be most useful.
     
  24. Strat-Mangler

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    That would be assuming the exact same pressing was used. Regardless, the turntable and stylus would also factor enormously into the end result.
     
  25. missan

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    If I play records, I play records.
     

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