SH Spotlight The True Story of the "Into the Mystic" mixing goof on Van Morrison's "Moondance" album

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Steve Hoffman, Jan 17, 2007.

  1. Instant_Palmer

    Instant_Palmer New Member

    Thanks for the info...love this forum!
     
  2. lukpac

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  3. Dhreview16

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    Funny that. My story is virtually identical. Had a UK original vinyl back in the day; replaced it with a white label, "Strawberry" matrix, Warner's K 46040/WS 1835 reissue (a German pressing, like a lot of Warner's were), still in good nick, and now also have the Rhino 2008/09 vinyl remaster. As you say, the tamb' is louder on the Warner's version.
     
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  4. jgkojak

    jgkojak Forum Resident

    Great illustration why it is so difficult 40 years later to do a decent job remastering - its not just grabbing a tape from a shelf.
     
  5. AstrlWks68

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  6. AstrlWks68

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    So Steve, I'm still just a little confused. Which version was pressed more? I have a WB copy (olive label) with the tamborine, and A W7 label without the tamborine. Which version was pressed in later years with the other label variations? Is my W7 copy rare?
     
  7. AstrlWks68

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  8. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Audiophile Music Mastering Your Host Thread Starter

    I have NO idea, but the version without the percussion is the version I've run into every time. I think the original CD has the percussion on it, doesn't it? Can't remember now, sorry!
     
  9. moj

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    Will need to dig out my recentish 2CD version later on and have a listen. If I remember correctly, the featured outtake has a more 'atmospheric' foghorn that was crying out for some Otis Redding seagull noise...
     
  10. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Audiophile Music Mastering Your Host Thread Starter

    My CD doesn't have the tambourine on it, just checked.
     
  11. lukpac

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    12/10/69 tambourine mix:

     
  12. lukpac

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    1/5/70 no tambourine remix:

     
  13. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Audiophile Music Mastering Your Host Thread Starter

    So which mix do we like better?

    I like the tambourine/foghorn mix myself. More percussive. The remix sounds too laid back.
     
  14. Slappy9001

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    I like the 1/5/70 mix more myself.
     
  15. lukpac

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    With this album, that appears to be the case. But it isn't always. Sometimes RE1 (or later) is the first version actually released to the public. So the presence of such a marking isn't in and of itself enough to tell if a pressing is not original or not.

    That said, looking back, @GetRhythm doesn't note an RE1 in the matrix itself, even though it's on the label. If that's the case, it seems that pressing *was* original, or at least used the original parts.

    As far as Moondance goes, I'm trying to make sense of what was released when. Looking back, lots of people have posted bits and pieces, but often not everything. It's clear that pressings with RE1 matrices contain both mixes, but it isn't clear if pressings *without* RE1 only contain the remix, or also have the original mix. And it seems that the labels don't always match what's in the grooves.
     
  16. AstrlWks68

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    I'm just curious... Does anyone have a later "palm tree" label or white "WB" label copy, and what version was on the later pressings? I only have the two olive labels. "WB" and "W7". One with tambourine, and one without. Just wondered what version was more well known.
     
  17. mpayan

    mpayan Forum Resident

    Im glad to have the tamborine mix. I think I prefer the non tamborine version. Not because I dont like the tamborine, but the foghorn and other percussives seem to be more subtle in the non-tamborine mix. Not a big deal. Its a great song and neither mix stinks. Just a preference.
     

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