Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by andyinstal, Jan 23, 2006.
West Wing Cancelled
I know this is a favorite of some of us here.
I've never seen it. Isn't the consensus opinion that the show is well past its prime?
I used to enjoy the heck out of this show, but the last two or three seasons haven't really commanded my attention. The loss of John Spencer also removed a character I really liked, and the casting of a "real-life" Liberal like Alan Alda as a Republican sort of stretched credulity to its maximum limits.
It's a darn shame to see a quality show overstay its welcome, but I guess that's what happened here. I hope for NBC's sake that they can create another quality drama to replace this formerly excellent show.
OTOH, ABC's "Commander-in-Chief" has been a breath of fresh air, if you like political dramas!
Well, first they moved it to Sunday nights @8pm which is essentially their placeholder for shows they want to dump.
No promotion for the show at all so that there would be low ratings...
It had probably run it's course anyway, but the chances of them replacing it with another smart drama OR a low budget videotaped bug-eating contest? I won't hold my breath.
Kudos. They did a nice job for these years and hopefully helped many people get a better idea of how things work in that city of sins.
West Wing should have done better there, with a larger audience to work with (and all those geezers looking for something to fall asleep with after 60 Minutes!) - unfortunately we didn't get a better West Wing! The bright-eyed naivete and musical dialogue was gone, and half its' audience didn't like it anymore just like half of us don't seem to like the other half of us nowadays.
We can only hope Aaron Sorkin can pull off this next project without driving himself batty from writing it all...!
You gotta be kidding! What in the world does his actual life have to do with his characters, absolutely nothing.
It was best the first few seasons, erratic but interesting after that, but yes, probably lasted beyond its expiration date. It's just as well the plug is being pulled now, apparently its creator ran out of ideas fairly early on, fell back on predictable plots, and those who followed couldn't do much better.
Disagree with most sentiment here.
The show began to slip noticeably 3 years ago before Sorkin left, then regained its feet last year once they began to focus on the campaign (Bartlet's replacement). It has been almost as good this past 1.5 years as it ever was.
However, this is the way to go out. Once Bartlet's administration is replaced, they have the herculean task of avoiding repetition from its superb early seasons.
Even a frost bitten' Canadian boy like me enjoyed the West Wing. Not many TV shows I like, but this one was usually pretty good. I remember the episode that ended with the song "Brothers in Arms", also Yo-yo Ma on one show.
At least the NHL is back.
"Buying" Alan Alda as a Republican is sort of like "buying" John Wayne as an effete Commie!
After 35 years of having Alda's Liberal views stuffed down our throats, it gets almost impossible to separate the "real-life" actor/actress from his/her roles.
Sort of like Pat Boone's "heavy metal" album.......
The West Wing even after it jumped the shark was better than most network TV shows. Not sad to see it going off though; John Spencer's death left a big void for me.
You know, I liked it, as a novelty album (I think that's what he intended it to be).
The show took a huge hit with the loss of Sorkin's writing. It had real high-speed sparkle and pop, and, quite frankly, I was never able to process it all. But that didn't stop me from trying, and maybe that was part of the appeal, that you were privy to an insider's view of a very complex world.
Now, I'm not quite sure if he returned to the show or not, but it seems it was not the same after he first left.
I guess I'm able to separate real life from fiction; I found Alda quite effective in his role. I think he can play against type: his part in "The Aviator" was certainly nothing like other things he's done.
Frankly, I thought the show had been cancelled after last year. I totally missed the move to Sunday, and was quite surprised to find it was still on.
I have watched the show since it started, but the last few seasons have not been as good as the past years. However, this year has surprised me. It is a lot better than I expected. It will be interesting to see how they handle Leo in the closing weeks of the show. It was my understanding they had about 4 shows in the can when John Spencer died.
Perhaps a larger potential audience, but in a much more competitive landscape. Also 8P is not the place for a political drama. With a show like this, the later the better.
I disagree with this. The show has had an extremely compelling season. Different from its ratings heydey, but very smart, very compelling and very well acted. Quite the comeback from losing Sorkin. By the way, its ratings were never that strong, it's just that it had alot of smart viewers.
Both good arguments, Gabe. I still think a West Wing that walked, talked and quacked like a Sorkin West Wing would have a shot in an 8pm Sunday time slot.
This past season was exciting and compelling. But it managed to be grown-up without keeping the magic that made the dialogue more interesting than the sometimes too-deep plot points.
Or stopping by his drug dealer's house.
Amazon had season 1 and 2 of West Wing on sale for $19.99 last time I looked.
I always thought that there was strong consensus here that the show was done after Season 4 when Sorkin left. Didn't we have a couple of long threads in Seasons 5 & 6 bashing the heck out of the show?
I stopped watching the show in Season 5 when it went from fast and multi-dimensional to what i considered relatively slow and one dimension. Must say i did second guess that decision when i saw in previews that Alan Alda and Jimmy Smitts had joined the cast. I had a hard time believing that they would have joined up for anything that wasn't top-notch. Kinda like when Spader joined up with The Practice when it was long past it's prime.
It's called "acting." In other news, Heath Ledger is not really a gay cowboy in real life, and Ewan McGregor is not really a Jedi Knight in real life. I do find Alan Alda to be a mediocre actor for reasons that have nothing to do with his real-life personal politics, however, and Jimmy Smits doesn't do much for me either as the other Presidential candidate. I agree with the point of view that the West Wing never really recovered from Sorkin's departure.
What Sorkin and Alda do in their own time is their business. Land of the free* and all that.
Aloha West Wing!
Me too, besides, I don't care about any actor's political leanings a bit. I don't judge their acting with that in mind, if I even know what their leanings are... Yeah, he was good in The Aviator. Now you've made me wanna rewatch it.
It couldn't go on with John Spencer gone and "Toby" in jail or in court. Well, it could've, but I probably wouldn't have watched.
Couldn't watch the show with Alda without thinking of his decision to invade Canada. (For those who don't get it, see Canadian Bacon w/John Candy)
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