Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Todber, Sep 17, 2008.
What do people think about this 1980 mono reissue?
It was good for its time. If I'm not mistaken, it was mastered from a mint condition Brunswick copy, not the master tape, but it was the first place I heard "I'm A Man" and the unedited "The Kids Are Alright".
Pardon me, but I didn't realise companies pressed copies from a disc. Does this happen often?
I believe this was done in this particular case because of a dispute with the album's producer, Shel Talmy, who has the master tapes. He wouldn't provide them to Virgin, so they went with the needle drop.
And yes, there are several albums and even CD's that have been mastered from old vinyl copies. Obviously, it's not the ideal way to go, but it is done occasionally.
Shel Talmy.......now there's a name to conjure with. He produced "You Really Got Me" for the Kinks.
In an old biog of Ray Davies', Ray proclaimed happiness with the unique sound of the above mentioned single, only to hear "I Cant Explain" on the radio a few weeks later. Same producer, same sound.
Ray was not best pleased.
As Rich said, it was great to have at the time, since the only other options were the bowdlerized U.S. edition or a super-pricey Brunswick original.
I never realized it was a dub until many years later -- they did a nice transfer, and it was never a super hi-fi recoring to start with.
Now we have the Classic! Best thing to ever happen to it on vinyl!
Hows the stereo mix of the Deluxe edition CD set? Worth getting?
At th risk of being severly critiqued, here's my two cents.
The deluxe edition--it's a stereo remix, but I like it, though there are all sorts of issues with it. Check out lukpac's posts. He's the resident Who expert here. I can't even touch his knowledge and ears. But, I still think the deluxe is essential. Try also the single disc SACD of MG. Very nice and I think luke likes it better too.
The Virgin 1980 re-issue--I bought this new in 1980. You can't, IMHO, tell it's mastered from an LP. Sounds very good to me.
The Classic--Sorry, but to me it sounds cold and lifeless. Totally unlike the orig. Brunswick LP, which I have a MINT original of.
My 2 cents.
Thanks. I've always wanted to hear the remix but never could get it used...have to fork out $ for a new one before it goes OOP.
I never would have known it was mastered from an LP until I read it here on the forum.
So far that assertion is all the info we've got. I've got this reissue, and a Brunswick, and while there really is nothing between them to speak of it doesn't sound like one was made from the other. The sound quality varies from track to track, just like on the original Brunswick.
There's no reason any production tapes would have been unavailable to Virgin (adding to the info, the Virgin is 'a porky prime cut')
No claims were made about 'orignal master tape' at the time; I think there'd have been more interest in the technology to put out a dubbed LP of this quality in the 'pre CEDAR' days.
I have the Virgin LP....says A PORKY PRIME CUT in the dead wax on both sides.
This is the first I've ever heard that it was vinyl sourced and I think that it is pure speculation simply because the ORIGINAL tapes were not available for so long.
There is absolutely no artifacts of it being anything other than tape sourced. I don't have a Brunswick original so I can't comment that it sounds any worse.
IMO I do think it betters the Classic reissue and is miles better than the US Decca version.
That's kinda what I was thinking. Are we absolutely positive the Virgin issue was sourced from vinyl, or is that one of those myths that gets repeated so many times that it gets accepted as fact? I wouldn't have thought licensing would be an issue since MCA had the same songs in print at the same time.
I also believe the stereo deluxe version (I have the vinyl) is essential strictly because of the bonus tracks, many of which are as good or better than the original album cuts. I also have the Virgin and Classic versions, both of which sound good, though a bit uneven from track to track. Neither is a sonic masterpiece by any means. If I had to live with one, it would be the stereo deluxe version because of the expanded content.
I had a Brunswick of which I had a POOR copy of (just kidding!)
and I have this new version...which on my turntable doesn't sound lifeless at all...
But then again...it's your taste and gear...probably better than mine...but I get a kick out of the Classic very much....
and I would recommend it (and do!)
Did the My Generation vinyl issue on Virgin use the standard stock Virgin label of the era? Or did they give it custom labels? If the latter, I'd love to see what they worked up...
Black custom 'Long Playing' label.
And IIRC, the Virgin logo emulated the old Brunswick logo. Can't find a photo of it online...
A little taste...
And neither would I.
I do like the bonus tracks. I rarely listen to this though. Granted it's one of my favorite Who albums. And even though I generally do not notice mastering as much as others on the forum... this one does not sound very good to my ears. I prefer my old MCA version to this, as far as the album goes.
I've never heard the mono issue from 1980, now that I know it's out there... I would like to.
I must also add that the orig. MCA CD does not sound that bad to me either. At least is appears to be an unfutzed with transfer of the U.S. mono LP. Careful though, some copies were pressed in fake stereo. All mine have been mono, though, both pink faced cd and silver faced. Thanks to lukpac for alerting us to this, as usual.
I've been told the SACD is better, but I've never heard it. It is/was on my "I should pick that up sometime" list, but honestly the remix just does nothing for me. At best, it's basically mono with the guitar mixed to one side. At worst, it practically sounds like *fake* stereo. And plus there are a lot of missing/different overdubs. It's interesting for what it is, but as much as I prefer stereo, I pull out the mono mix if I want to listen to the album.
Does anyone know where the story that the Virgin was a disc dub came from? I had never heard that until recently.
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