Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by shokhead, Dec 31, 2011.
Has it been on TV and shown in HD?
Yes, it's been in HD for last few years on TBS and TNT...and I think TCM.
For the most part it's mind-blowingly great, but there are a few times you can see makeup lines and other details that ruin the illusion.
I can't compare to 'over the air' HD broadcasts, but the blu ray release looks pretty phenomenal to me.
Is their a difference in the regular dvd version from a few years ago and the Blu-ray dvd?
Yes. The movie has been restored a second time since the 2005 DVD release. It looks even better now, and is well worth upgrading to either the newest DVD Release or the Blu-Ray, IMHO.
+1 The blu-ray is amazing....Warner Bros, which now owns it, did a great job.
Another recommendation for the Blu-ray. Gorgeous color. Technicolor productions are a treat on Blu-ray.
It's one of Warner's crown jewels from the MGM musicals vault...they did it right the first time when the blu-ray was released a few years ago. A no-brainer blind buy for anyone who cares about classic films and musicals!!!
Those flaws have always been part of the movie. A great print on a big screen will reveal the same issues.
Whenever studios go back and retransfer old titles, the question always comes up: "do we try to fix this? Should we cover up the scenes, remove the wires, fix the faces... or is that historical revisionism?" To me, as long as you're not deliberately trying to make the flaws more visible, I don't think it's worth worrying about.
Note that Disney does routinely go in and fix animation flaws, but they've been doing this for 20 years. There are tons and tons of mistakes in their films over the years (sometimes very subtle ones), and they meticulously fix those -- cell dirt, reflections, bad color, missing characters, wrong backgrounds, etc. It's not exactly like George Lucas changing Star Wars, and in this case, they're genuinely trying to repair problems -- not change the story or alter the movie in a gigantic way. (Though there has been some censorship due to racism, in scenes from stuff like Fantasia.)
Note that I believe the recent HD transfer of Wizard of Oz was all done at Warner's MPI department in Burbank. Not sure who the colorist was, but I don't doubt they spent months and months (and many millions of dollars) on it.
Part of the charm of The Wizard Of Oz has always been that it doesn't look "realistic" in the Oz scenes. For example; in the latest restoration of it, you can now see the burlap in The Scarecrow's cheeks. It's really amazing. It just makes me love the movie even more.
Thanks everyone I received some Target gift cards for Christmas and will pick this up on blu-ray next time I go!!
Personally, I couldn't care less if they have me completely fooled or not. Most films don't these days. I'm always looking out for cinematic trickery, but I appreciate it all the more when it's well done. I'm fascinated by the tricks of the trade. Being able to see details like that bring me closer to the actors performance. It's like they're right here with me in my livingroom.
"The Wizard Of Oz" has been in my collection from the Laserdisc years (The Criterion Double LD was a blast!) through the DVD years (Still got em") & even in glorious Blu-Ray. You gotta see it to believe it. It's beautiful! Two other titles fall in the same category (my opinion). They are "Gone With The Wind" & "The Sound Of Music". Awesome!!!
Warner's blu-ray restoration of "Ben-Hur" this past year falls into that category...simply drop-dead gorgeous!!!
I haven't got that one yet but I have seen what it looks like & you are absolutely right! All the classic greats should get the same treatment because they've stood the test of time. Forget the ultra deluxe bells & whistles & trinkets type special editions of the new movies. They should get the classics out of the vault & give them the royal treatment. Do the new ones 20 years from now! I want to get "West Side Story" but I'm waiting for the fixed versions. Any word on weather they will have a different UPC number, special sticker, etc.?
Fox has already started a replacement program for West Side Story... the info is available at hometheaterforum.com on Robert Harris' thread about it in the blu-ray sub-forum.
Paramount's The Ten Commandments and Warner's Meet Me In St. Louis are also excellent.
D'oh!!! Completely forget that gem of biblical epics...Ron Smith's crew at Paramount did absolutely stellar work for that Charleton Heston classic!!!
"St. Louis" also is a wonderful Technicolor restoration right up there with Judy Garland's "Wizard Of Oz"...the main subject of this thread!!!
I don't understand your comment Paul. Seeing the burlap in the Scarecrow's face (this was always VERY apparent in the publicity stills that showed a close-up of his face) makes him look all that MORE realistic to me, since the head of a real scarecrow (one used in a real field) was probably made using burlap. What is unrealistic about seeing the burlap?
Using examples like the cornstalks, the flowers in Munchkinland, etc. those look fake, but I agree with you that it doesn't detract at all...remember Oz is a place over the rainbow. It is not supposed to look like Kansas!
Maybe the example I should have given was the obviously painted backdrops and mattes. But yes, I agree with you that it isn't supposed to look realistic.
I can accept the land of Oz looking fake because it's not reality. What we see in Oz is it's own reality.
I need to upgrade to the Blu-ray so I can finally get a nice clear shot of the munchkin hanging himself.
L. Frank Baum's own reality. Everything he wrote as far as WOO was from his own life.
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