The Wood Glue vinyl cleaning method

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by alan909, Feb 10, 2008.

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  1. ArpMoog

    ArpMoog Forum Resident

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    Try spraying and wiping down your record with a alcohol / water mixture before applying
    the glue. This should cut out or down the static when doing the peel.
    I've been doing this for years and have had good results.
    I buy the big jug of glue and refill my bottle. Save money that way.
     
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  2. Michel_LeGrisbi

    Michel_LeGrisbi Far-Gone Accumulator ™

    I wouldn't do it, I'd hate to waste that glue.
     
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  3. murphywmm

    murphywmm Senior Member

    While I wasn't overly impressed with the results of my wood gluing, I did find it oddly pleasurable to pull off the glue after it dried.
     
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  4. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    Thanks for the threadcrap
     
  5. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    For those who have done this once or twice and have decided it doesn't work, you haven't done it enough. I've never had the experience where a record sounds worse after a gluing. I've been doing this off and on for nearly 5 years.
     
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  6. I neither have the time to wait for the glue to dry nor do I have enough money to buy all the wood glue that I would need. Besides, my wife doesn't appreciate all the records that I have and I know she would read me the riot act for having records all over the house with glue drying on them. I could just imagine the smell. Wood glue for cleaning records? Insanity!
     
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  7. Michel_LeGrisbi

    Michel_LeGrisbi Far-Gone Accumulator ™

    Anytime!
     
  8. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    Then, why are you here?
     
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  9. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    Doesn't smell badly.
     
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  10. eddiel

    eddiel Senior Member

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    You don't need to do this for every record and generally people who do use this method tend to agree that it isn't necessarily a replacement for a wet clean; it's a supplement to wet cleaning should that method not achieve the desired results. It's sort of a last ditch effort IMO.

    I would even be annoyed if my house were full of wood glue covered records in various states of drying. However, unlike yourself, I've realised that I could just deal with one record at a time. :)

    I'm trying it out for myself now and granted it is time consuming, in that you have to wait for it to dry. The verdict is still out for me at the moment, but assuming all works well, I can still see this as a rare occurrence for me as opposed to a regular thing. Cost wise, in that context, it's not that much to spend on trying to make a record more listenable.
     
  11. DaverJ

    DaverJ Forum Resident

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    I have wood-glued many albums. Since getting a vacuum wand to wet clean with the Audio Intelligent #6 formula, I don't do it nearly as often -- yet I have wood glue standing by for an important album that needs a deep clean.

    Results can vary from almost unnoticeable to amazing. If you've tried it once or twice without much success, the record was probably damaged. Wood glue can do wonders for the right candidate, but it's hard to know which album it will fix well just by looking at it.
     
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  12. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    These days I only use this method for records that really need it and always supplement the process with a wet cleaning, as well as dip in the ultrasonic machine.

    I can only handle one LP at a time.
     
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  13. George Blair

    George Blair Senior Member

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    Dries while you sleep... does that count as waiting? :shake:
     
  14. jon9091

    jon9091 Master Of Reality

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    Mine dry in about an hour. Fairly thin coat with a fan blowing across the surface.
     
  15. Kinda smells like an old man. lol
     
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  16. If cleaning in my VPI machine doesn't do it, the record is probably junk. Records that look great can often be a sonic problem, if a record looks trashed, I wouldn't play it let alone waste my time cleaning it. Now, if it were a Robert Johnson 78, that's another story.

    Being in the process of digitizing thousands of records, and trying to do a few a day, taking the time to glue-clean them isn't an option. Especially with my current detour with the Christmas records, getting the LP's cleaned, digitized and loaded into my Seeburg HSC-3 50-LP stereo console before Christmas. The next logical step is to clean, digitize and re-load the LP's I took out for Christmas.

    Just for the heck of it, I might get some wood glue and try it on a troublesome LP after wet/vacuum cleaning, then digitizing, comparing on a scope the before and after glue-cleaning. I don't expect to see a difference.

    Cost wise, when dealing with thousands of records, the cost of glue-cleaning isn't wise.
     
  17. superstar19

    superstar19 Authentic By Nature

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    In my experience, the wood glue is only recommended for records that haven't been well cared for. I've never used it on any of the records from my personal collection, but there have been a handful of records that I've picked up from the used bins or thrift stores that a bath in the Spin-Clean didn't quite get them sounding as good as I'd like. For those few records, I've given them the wood glue treatment and the results have varied from no improvement to a big improvement, but I wouldn't recommend blindly applying the wood glue treatment to an entire collection.
     
  18. Stone Turntable

    Stone Turntable Independent Head

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    The wood glue treatment rendered a horribly trashed original Unipak/Artisan pressing of Exile On Main Street that I’d picked up listenable. That’s a good outcome in my book.
     
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  19. Spin-Clean? You only get what you pay for. Glue-cleaning would be a better option in that case. When you bring that used record home, the first thing you want to do is to play it. Waiting for the glue to dry and doing both sides puts that listening experience off to the next day.
     
  20. Muzyck

    Muzyck Pardon my scruffy hospitality

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    I have not noticed the wood glue smell. That is a new one on me.
     
  21. It smells like trolling.
     
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  22. eddiel

    eddiel Senior Member

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    As I and many others have pointed out, it isn't a cleaning system for thousands of records. So that's an irrelevant point. On the other hand if someone wants to spend their money it, it's their money so I wouldn't care anyway.

    That would make no difference to me as I clean every record I buy before playing it on my RCM. Unless the record is spotless it goes on the RCM first and that happens when I have time. Also, many people who used this method have better RCMs than a Spin Clean.

    To point out yet again, this method is reserved for a post wet clean so no one would need to wait for glue to try before playing a record anyway. In addition why do you even give s**t if someone chooses to wait? It won't affect you will it?

    I'm not sure why can't grasp these two points; not for cleaning all your records, best used after other cleaning attempts.
     
  23. riverrat

    riverrat Senior Member

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    Sad for you that your budget is so small and your mind so narrow. Also, I guess you need it pointed out to you that no one is making you do it. If you think it's crazy, just move on.

    He can't grasp it because he is apparently close minded and doesn't listen/read.

    To be sure, putting wood glue on records to clean them sounds crazy. But it's not, as has been proven by many, many people, both here and in other audio forums. It's entertaining how many people go off half-cocked that just because it sounds crazy it must be crazy, regardless of evidence to the contrary. Kind of like the anti-science crowd who are impervious to evidence and instead prefer to create their own belief-based "realities".

    The glue method IS a pain in the *ss and should be considered a last resort. As has been explained elsewhere, it is basically like a "facial" for the record. The glue flows into every tiny cranny of the grooves and yanks anything that isn't part of the actual record off of it, even stuff that the best RCMs cannot get. None of the glue sticks because it chemically cannot bond to the plastic.

    Again, for most of us, wood glue treatment is a method worth using only very occasionally on either really really dirty records that are worth the effort to try and save, or records with particularly obstinate noise issues. After all that has been said in this regard, anyone who assumes differently either can't read, or as my grandfather used to say "ain't too plenty in headbone".
     
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  24. DaverJ

    DaverJ Forum Resident

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    It's definitely a one-at-a-time overnight method for the right candidate, but not expensive - $5.50 will clean dozens of records.
     
  25. Vinyl Addict

    Vinyl Addict Forum Resident

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    I've heard accounts of it improving the sound.

    I've also heard stories of people ruining their vinyl, and at the very least having MORE noise than what they started with.
     
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