Things You Now See In Blu-rays That You Wish Were Not There

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by ridernyc, Nov 28, 2012.

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  1. ridernyc

    ridernyc Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    For me I've noticed an amazing amount of actors who need to blow their nose. The culmination being one of the lead bikers in Dawn of Dead whose entire face is covered in snot from the cold weather they were filming in.
     
  2. apileocole

    apileocole Lush Life Gort

    They could've used the video DNR processing plug-in by Kleenex®, Face Wipe©, for just such a scene (if my Mandarin is right, the Quick Guide to Outsourcees' Overprocessing recommends a retexturezation setting of 8 for Snot Faced Biker in Freaking Cold, between the recommended settings for Fashion Models Over the Age of 12 and Snot Nose Kids). Clearly they decided against revisionism. :uhhuh:
     
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  3. HGN2001

    HGN2001 Mystery Picture Member

    Day-for-night scenes seem more exaggerated to me in some blu-rays. The most recent example for me is in PLANET OF THE APES as they're sneaking Taylor out of his cell to take him to freedom in the Forbidden Zone. Though it was properly darkened, the details in the shadows made it clear that it was filmed in the daytime.

    Harry
     
  4. daglesj

    daglesj Forum Resident

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    Wig and make-up joins.
     
  5. Rachael Bee

    Rachael Bee Miembra muy loca

    I'll take the snot, moles, ear-hair, Peter Pan's wire, or whatever over lower resolution formats, period, with no regrets.
     
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  6. Clark V Kauffman

    Clark V Kauffman Forum Resident

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    Walter Matthau's ear and nose hair in the BluRay two-fer of the "Grump Old Men" series. Revolting.
     
  7. hi_watt

    hi_watt Forum Resident

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    Especially on Joe Pesci's character in Casino, you can definitely see it!
     
  8. Vidiot

    Vidiot See It in Dolby Vision!

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    One trick with Day-for-Night in ye olden times is that DPs would light it and judge the levels by looking at a print. What's frequently used for Blu-ray transfers these days is the OCN (original camera negative), which I'm afraid sometimes reveals too much. We can crush it way down to "approximate" the look of a print, but it's not always 100% effective, and certain details, particularly white highlights, have a different look.

    It's very funny to see Sean Connery's toupee edges in some of the Bond films, particularly Diamonds Are Forever. Lots of those details were absolutely invisible by the time a release print hit theaters, going through a normal OCN -> IP -> Dupe Neg -> print stage, which is four generations down.
     
  9. Steel Woole

    Steel Woole Well-Known Member

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    2001: A Space Odyssey; Dawn Of Man section - I thought there was something on my screen. Nope. It was the painted background canvas wrinkles!
     
  10. His Masters Vice

    His Masters Vice W.C. Fields Forever

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    It's not a painted backdrop. It's actually a screen with an image projected on to it - it's just the screen had some imperfections due to the particular requirements of the scenes. The images were "front projected" rather than the more usual rear projection technique - this gives a much sharper and brighter image - however the screen has to be made out of a special material and it was extremely difficult to make the material (Scotchlite, by 3M) completely uniform due to the huge size of screen. The screen wasn't custom made - instead, many pieces of Scotchlite were glued on in a random fashion. It was also one of the first times the technique had ever been used in a movie - and the only time it was ever used in a 70mm movie. That being said there are many shots in the movie that use front projection and are almost flawless. There's just a few shots that have obvious issues, all of which seem more apparent on the Blu-ray (or DVD) than on a movie screen, for some reason:

    http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/sk/2001a/page2.html

    http://bryanreinero.com/?p=5

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_projection_effect

    http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Movie_Making_Manual/Visual_Effects:

    "While constructing the large (40 feet by 100 feet) screen of Scotchlite for the film 2001: A Space Odyssey, director Stanley Kubrick and special effects supervisor Tom Howard initially laid strips of Scotchlite side by side, but found that variations in manufacturing made the seams between adjacent strips glaringly obvious in the final product. Their solution involved tearing the Scotchlite into irregular overlapping pieces, minimizing the occurrence of variations of retroreflectivity large and regular enough to be discernible to the audience. Still, as Martin Hart has observed, careful examination of the FP scenes of 2001 reveal flaws introduced by variations in retroreflectivity between adjacent random patches."
     
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  11. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    thanks you are making me appreciate DVD even more...I do not want to see that crap.:D
    a little softness never hurt anyone...some things weren't meant to be seen...another reason why a super clear picture can be distracting...how much time is spent counting the hairs in someones nose when they can be enjoying the plot!:laugh:
     
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  12. rogertheshrubber

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    In the current BR of Alistair Sim's "A Christmas Carol" you can now see the face behind the shroud of the Ghost of Christmas Future. At least to me, somewhat less spooky now -- I wonder if that is what the original filmmakers intended.
     
  13. And considering how so many people don't know how to adjust their wide-screen TVs or insist on filling the screen no matter what, we can look forward to a future of counting nose hairs and spotting wig joins in Stretch-O-Vision! Ain't progress grand?
     
  14. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    yes, grandiose!:laugh:
     
  15. Steel Woole

    Steel Woole Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for clarifying HMV. The articles you provided also explained the creepy glow in the leopard's eyes - something I always wondered about.
     
  16. Well even on the DVD the wires in the 1950's "War of the Worlds" for the spaceships. Granted, they were always visible to some degree but they were less so and earlier prints of the film didn't have them quite as noticeable.

    It's one of the few situations where I think Paramount should go back and erase the wires digitally and mess with it. It kind of takes me out of the movie now.
     
  17. Vidiot

    Vidiot See It in Dolby Vision!

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    I got news for you: I could see those wires when I was 10, in the early 1960s. And that was on a TV print. I think it would actually be wrong to go in and make retroactive fixes like this, because it's historical revisionism.

    There are filmmakers who have done this -- like Spielberg removing the glass reflection in Raiders of the Lost Ark -- but if it's just one shot, it's not a big deal to me. But there's dozens and dozens of bad model shots in the original War of the Worlds, so that would be a substantial change.
     
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  18. Oh I remember them as well (when I finally saw it in a theater with a good print it was even more noticeable as well). It wouldn't both me to "fix" something like this so long as the original is still available out there for folks that don't want it messed with.

    I wouldn't call them "bad model shots"--they were pretty darn good for when the film.

    I don't think it would be that much different than, say, removing the wires in "Blade Runner" (although admittedly Scott decided to do that)or other minor fixes that have been done in post for BD/DVD release by studios.

    The wires aren't an integral part of the plot and I'm sure if there had been someway to remove them back in the day they would have. To me it's no different than using black wires or wires put in acid to make them less visible on screen.

    I could never see Paramount going back to do this simply because the ROI would be too small (heck, I'd be surprised if we see this in a Blu-ray release any time soon).

    For the record it was also visible even in the super 8 version I had of the movie for viewing.
     
  19. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    I'd say no...if they wanted to show a face they could have...
     
  20. Vidiot

    Vidiot See It in Dolby Vision!

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    Yes, I agree. I just accept it as the state-of-the-art of 1953 -- it's the way things were. And there were a lotta wires on those flying saucers...

    [​IMG]

    I still love the scene where the minister is reciting the 23rd Psalm and gets zapped and killed. That never fails to bring down the house, when there's an audience of nutty science-fiction fans. An absolutely hilarious moment (though not intended as such by George Pal).
     
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  21. daglesj

    daglesj Forum Resident

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    I was reading an interview with the guys that did the special effects for Red Dwarf. They mentioned a cheeky way of not showing the wires on things.

    Shoot the whole thing upside down!

    The premise being folks will consciously look for the wires on what appears to be the top of the model and not so much the bottom.
     
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  22. blind_melon1

    blind_melon1 Forum Resident

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    One of the Prototypes in 'Robocop' fires rockets, and they are clearly on strings :D
     
  23. georgecostanza

    georgecostanza Active Member

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    My niece made me watch twilight on blu ray, I did want to see any of it at all.
     
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  24. showtaper

    showtaper Forum Resident

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    Things You Now See In Blu-rays That You Wish Were Not There

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  25. Rocker

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    I remember thinking that the wires were even more noticeable than ever on the "Special Collector's Edition" DVD that was released in 2005. They've always been somewhat noticeable, no matter what what source you're watching... but if memory serves, the transfer on the original bare-bones DVD from 1999 seemed to be one of the better editions in terms of "hiding" the wires. :)
     
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