Thoughts on Beatles 2009 Remasters?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by A Saucerful of Scarlets, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. angelo73

    angelo73 ⟴⎼ꃥ⎼⟴

    Michigan, USA
    I don't buy or play vinyl anymore, so I'm writing here for the Beatles CDs, and only those which I've heard. I hated the 1987 CDs that were standard EMI reissues; dull, lifeless, an abomination to my ears for the most part and I am tempted (though not the kind of person!) to hold a grudge against the company to this day for ever allowing such a travesty to go unrectified for 22 years. Thanks and kudos to Dr. Robert, er, I mean Ebbetts for somewhat remedying this intolerable situation; while not perfect in terms of what is possible in the digital domain I feel he did an admirable job - he certainly cares! - and his CDs actually had me listening to Beatles music once again. Now comes the 2009 mono remasters & the 2009 stereo-only remasters. When I got the news that Dr. Ebbetts retired his Beatles project, saying that the 2009 remasters were superior to his own, I was both elated and sad at the same time. Was all that loving care and work he did for all those years to be proven only a stopgap measure ? Well, yes ( more than half-expected ) and no. I still find myself going back to those needledrops, more out of nostalgia than anything, though I do agree with the good Doctor's initial assessment (and I assume he was referring mainly to the mono remasters), that they are indeed superior.

    I haven't bothered tracking down anything that is possibly better than the 2009 remasters because I am satisfied with them and my music collecting habits have taken me into other realms of late.
  2. aoxomoxoa

    aoxomoxoa It's a lonesome old town...

    Dayton ohio
    I guess we agree to disagree. There’s nothing about any of the remixes so far that I like. Period.
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  3. MHP

    MHP Forum Resident

    Here you go:

    Exactly what is wrong with the 1987 Beatles CD's?

    Beatles "Revolver" misaligned tape question

    Examples of pages of Steve Hoffman Music Forum posters, expressing their thoughts of the 1987 discs, BEFORE the 2009 remasters came along. Several posters are still active on the forum to this day.
    The threads says a lot about how a mindset can suddenly be changed when it's all about being a hipster-purist on a music forum and you will have to change your opinion because all others do...
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  4. a customer

    a customer Forum Resident

    The mono versions are better for mixing songs from different albums . They seem to have the same volume levels.
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  5. angelo73

    angelo73 ⟴⎼ꃥ⎼⟴

    Michigan, USA
    Interesting comment, to say the least!
    I'm quite new here so I'm not sure if your last sentence is laced with cynicism/disillusionment, or is proper stern-advice/warning ! (... or neither of those two).

    Guess I'll have to read the thread you linked to find out!

    Cheers ! :)
  6. Onder

    Onder Forum Resident

    What about it exactly? In the first thread some people say the 1987 CD's are bad and some say they're OK. The ones who claimed back then that the 1987 cd's suck can very well be the ones who now praise the 2009 cd's and vica versa. Or is there anyone particular you caught "red-handed"?

  7. andrewskyDE

    andrewskyDE Island Owner

    Zack Island
    Really? Nah, just another Dejà Vu.^^
  8. Keith V

    Keith V Forum Resident

    Jersey City, NJ
    I got the mono box and eventually all the stereo remasters.
    I kept the 80s CDs of Revolver to the end after reading extensively (on this forum mostly).
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  9. WonkyWilly

    WonkyWilly Forum Resident

    Paradise, PA
    Nope. They stink. They are narrowed, over-EQ'd, there is spot NR all over the place, and they have digitally removed things they consider anomolies. The original CD's suffer from none of these problems, as arguably mediocre as they are.

    The 2009's also used the 1987 remixes of "Rubber Soul" and "Help" which was a stupid idea. And regardless, the original stereo mixes on the mono box suffer from the same mastering tomfoolery as the remixes.

    Get the first 4 albums if you are desperate to have them in stereo. The rest aren't anything great, and there are much better alternatives.
  10. telepicker97

    telepicker97 Got Any Gum?

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  11. Jimmy B.

    Jimmy B. Forum Resident


    how about they're all good, they're great....
    only the original of the first four sucked.
    the 2009s are fine.
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  12. Duophonic

    Duophonic number_9 number_9

    I hated them, it’s still the 1987 HMV’s for me.
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  13. helter

    helter Forum Resident

    Doubtful ...the forum members here consider the Beatles mostly “has been’s” from the mostly forgotten vinyl era of music.
  14. A Saucerful of Scarlets

    A Saucerful of Scarlets Oof Thread Starter

    Because it's not about the recording, it's about the mixing. When we're paying for something that is supposedly remastered or remixed, it should sound similar to stuff being released today, otherwise what's the point since it'll still sound dated. If you're judging the original releases than I agree, but for remixes and remasters I think it's a fair thing to expect great things. That's just how I feel anyway. As I always state, I don't actually know anything about music production and only just started caring about how my music sounds recently, so I'd take my opinion lightly :righton:
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  15. Price.pittsburgh

    Price.pittsburgh Forum Resident

    I'm not an audiophile so all I can say is they sound good to me, mono and stereo sets.
    Great packaging as well.
  16. WonkyWilly

    WonkyWilly Forum Resident

    Paradise, PA
    They are "fine" if you don't mind a narrowed stereo image, noise reduction and heavily manipulated EQ. Don't be surprised if there is some dissent.
  17. Price.pittsburgh

    Price.pittsburgh Forum Resident

    Beatles 1987 CDs - any reason to keep them?
    A post 09 thread along similar lines.
  18. A Saucerful of Scarlets

    A Saucerful of Scarlets Oof Thread Starter

    I’d love to get some ‘87 CD’s, issue is that I’ma digital kind of guy and as I’m sure you know digital favours the very latest versions of things. It’s a shame the ‘87’s weren’t released officially digitally. I’d get the CD’s except of course stores are similar. I’ve only ever seen 2009 remastered versions.
  19. The Elephant Man

    The Elephant Man Forum Resident

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  20. bherbert

    bherbert Forum Resident

    South Africa
    IMO don’t get the 87 cd’s. They don’t sound as good as the flawed 2009 Stereo Remasters. The 2009 Mono cd Box is the one to get. Hopefully, Apple Corps will remix the stereo albums in future. Ideally, in the same style as the Yellow Submarine Songtrack.
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  21. 905

    905 Forum Resident

    Southern IL
    Stereo Beatles For Sale is amazing, folks.
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  22. A Saucerful of Scarlets

    A Saucerful of Scarlets Oof Thread Starter

    Yeah, that post was a jumble. I tend to do that.
    What I was trying to say is I'd love to get the '87 versions except it was never released digitally and it's not in any nearby stores so I can't. Shame.

    That Songtrack is amazing. I was blown away when I first heard it. I actually liked Only a Northern Song, which before was the only Beatles song I hadn't liked. Might buy it soon.
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  23. bherbert

    bherbert Forum Resident

    South Africa
    Buy it. It’s brilliant. Listen to Hey Bulldog. It’ll blow your socks off LOL
  24. Shak Cohen

    Shak Cohen Forum Resident

    United Kingdom
    It's the 1986 remix. The 2009 is merely a remaster...of a 16-bit DAT.
  25. A Saucerful of Scarlets

    A Saucerful of Scarlets Oof Thread Starter

    I always liked it. It is a bit dull sounding, though. Still better than Help! though which sounds like garbage.

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