Thoughts on Beatles 2009 Remasters?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by A Saucerful of Scarlets, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. abzach

    abzach Forum Resident

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    The monos are great but I don't care much for the stereo, as they're a bit compressed, cleaned up and boosted - I prefer the originals for stereo.
     
  2. stereoptic

    stereoptic Anaglyphic GORT Staff

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    What are your reasons for classifying them as 'junk'? Claiming 'Everyone hated them' is a bit of hyperbole isn't it?
     
  3. audiomixer

    audiomixer As Bald As The Beatles

    ...but still "manipulated". All vinyl is...
     
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  4. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    I own them, but don't care for them...
     
  5. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    yea, the clarity on the 2009 Stereo AHDN is stunning! LOL...
     
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  6. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    or needledrops of the MFSL box set...
     
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  7. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    they are fiddled with in a ridiculous way...and LOUD.
     
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  8. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    Brainwashed is a strong word.

    I don’t think the stereo CDs from the 1980s are “perfect” either.
     
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  9. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    do I see bias here? LOL...
     
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  10. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    Not me. I think they leave a lot to be desired.
     
  11. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    Indeed...the first 4 mono suck, the next 2 remixes suck...the rest are OK...but, at least they are not (((((((((((((loudified)))))))))))).
     
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  12. WonkyWilly

    WonkyWilly Forum Resident

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    That's true. That's why one would have to cobble together the ultimate version of ADHN, for example, to achieve a superior version that hasn't had the bass frequencies summed.

    That's why I didn't elaborate. I get the feeling most people would rather buy the 2009 and just be done with it, as crappy as it is.
     
  13. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    They’re re a bit louder than I would like but don’t fully agree with them being totally loudified
     
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  14. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    I never listen to the AHDN CD. I’d rather listen to a 1980s UK pressing. I don’t even like the sound of the original UK stereo pressing. This needs a re-do
     
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  15. WonkyWilly

    WonkyWilly Forum Resident

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    More specifically....

    - 2009 for the first four, if digital is your only option
    - Canadian "Disque Americ" CD's for original mixes of "Help" and "Rubber Soul"
    - 1987 CD's for the rest

    Some have expressed that the 1987's aren't much different from the 2009's for the first four (mono). I guess that the fact that Apple has released these in boxed form only, it kind of negates the need for the 1987's.

    Help and Rubber Soul are available in two different mixes, so it depends on which one you prefer. Some people do like the 1987 remixes, but I suspect that more folks would prefer the originals.
     
  16. WonkyWilly

    WonkyWilly Forum Resident

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    I think the problem is that the EQ is a bit obnoxious and it makes them seem a bit louder than they need to be. The waveforms reveal that for the most part, the limiting used is not extreme.
     
  17. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    I’m resigned to the fact that we’ll never get anything from Apple that will resemble audiophile-like quality, other than the CD and vinyl mono boxes. I expect the White Album box, should it happen, to be similar to the Pepper box, in terms of SQ. After a while, I wonder why I even bother.
     
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  18. mmars982

    mmars982 Forum Resident

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    I remember reading what Dr. Ebbets said it before 9/9/09, but he did say that he had a chance to hear the new remasters at the time. He said "they're good...they're VERY good" and said he would retire from doing Beatles CDs because of them.

    I also have heard since that he didn't stay retired for long. I don't really know, as I have no idea how to get his work (save for a couple that I found in used bins over the years).

    My personal opinion is I love the 2009 monos, and most of the 2009 stereos. The White Album and Abbey Road are the only ones where I prefer older CDs, but I would never say the 2009's weren't good. Just not my preferred versions.
     
  19. hurple

    hurple Forum Resident

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    They're not.
     
  20. mmars982

    mmars982 Forum Resident

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    I do prefer the original stereo mixes as they come in the 2009 mono box. I'm curious, (having never heard the Canadian CDs with the same mix) do you feel the older Canadian discs sound better, or are you just saying you prefer that mix?
     
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  21. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    Was that a forced statement from him?
     
  22. hurple

    hurple Forum Resident

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    Could not disagree more...

    2009 Mono box
    2009 stereo box

    Done.
     
  23. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    that's fine...we agree to disagree.: )
     
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  24. hurple

    hurple Forum Resident

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    Except, you're wrong...

    For example, the 2009 "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" still has headroom.
    [​IMG]

    That is not "Loudified"... just bumped up a bit from the original 1987
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    Now... this is "Loudified"... Metallica "The Day That Never Comes"
    [​IMG]
     
  25. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    my ears tell me different...there's no sound coming out of that graph...; )
     

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