Toshiba Releases "High-Res" Cassette Player

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  1. sunspot42

    sunspot42 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I guess this was inevitable, given sagging vinyl sales. Toshiba has announced an Aurex-branded "high-res" cassette player:

    Toshiba tape player promises high-res audio from cassettes

    How a cassette boombox would benefit from "high-res" technology isn't exactly clear. However, I eagerly await the arrival of a "high-res" 8-track player sometime in 2025, or whenever the cassette revival has run out of gas.
     
  2. JohnO

    JohnO Senior Member

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    For Toshiba:
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  3. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    BUT!!! . . . is it gluten-free?
     
  4. allied333

    allied333 Audiophile

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    Lloyds may have one coming too.
     
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  5. Gaslight

    Gaslight ⎧⚍⎫⚑

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    I'm saving my money on high-res eight track.
     
  6. ServingTheMusic

    ServingTheMusic Forum Resident

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    This is better than HD toothepaste...
     
  7. ralf11

    ralf11 Forum Resident

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    does it have MQA?
     
  8. mrdon

    mrdon Senior Member

    Will it also decode Dubly B?
     
  9. sunspot42

    sunspot42 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    We have a winner!

    :biglaugh:
     
  10. kronning

    kronning Forum Resident

    Posted too early. April 1st is still a few days away.
     
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  11. ShallowMemory

    ShallowMemory Classical Princess

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    Wrong sort of product to restore high quality cassette performance from a new deck.
    I could spec a machine that would although I wouldn't use dolby -you can't license it anymore for starters- but the bigger thing is you'd need to get super ferric tapes back in production as most new tape is basic 'cooking' ferric rather than something the equal of XLS I or TDK's AR so people could record and hear such performance.
     
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  12. nosliw

    nosliw Delivering parcels throughout Teyvat! Meow~!

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    The amount of money for a new cassette deck from Toshiba could easily be spent on a used deck elsewhere. The new Toshiba deck looks like a stereotypical "portable" ghettoblaster than anything really.

    And you're right about the new cassette types as there doesn't seem to be a market to manufacture brand new, higher-quality cassettes, as quite a few NOS are snatched up very quickly and increasing in price.
     
  13. Claude Benshaul

    Claude Benshaul Forum Resident

    With the typical wow & flutter of a cassette player, the much vaunted time domain correction and anti smear of MQA will truly drag it screaming and kicking into Hi-Res territory. Or not.
     
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  14. ubiknik

    ubiknik Forum Resident

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    I suppose it could be like DAT with the ones and zeros striped onto magnetic tape then read on a drum head.
    Or however digital cassettes did it.
    I think the DAT technology is ultimately unreliable and expensive to fix though.
    Hard to beat old school high quality analog magnetic tape, but yeesh wouldn't it be just like opening really old wounds what with all the pitfalls surrounding the format?
    [​IMG]
     
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  15. ralf11

    ralf11 Forum Resident

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    The real question is which Audiophile Power Cord to use with your new Toshiba BoomBox
     
  16. sunspot42

    sunspot42 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I'm still laughing over this.
     
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  17. Gibsonian

    Gibsonian Forum Resident

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    Battery burn in is of far greater importance here.
     
  18. Solitaire1

    Solitaire1 Carpenters Fan

    Although it sounds funny, why not introduce a new analog audio tape format? However, rather than the compact cassette, why not something that was much better, like the Elcaset? Since the entire compact cassette infrastructure is basically gone for the most part, why not create a new one for a better format?

     
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  19. SamS

    SamS Forum Legend

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    Cause nostalgia sells baby!
     
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  20. 2trackmind

    2trackmind Forum Resident

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    About 15-20 years ago Pioneer had a cassette deck with a built-in DSP that claimed to improve the sound of cassettes. I bet that's what this thing has.
     
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  21. Mike-48

    Mike-48 A shadow of my former self

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    I wish I still had the Victrola from my parents' basement -- the player with a horn and steel needles.
     
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  22. Pinknik

    Pinknik Senior Member

    I'm willing to bet that all this deck has is the ability to make a 24 bit 96kHz recording of really terrible cassette playback. Boom! Hi-Res!
     
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  23. zberk

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    Weirdly I actually like the warbly muddy sound of cassettes; the aesthetic itself is likable in some applications. Why hi-res? Leave good (enough) alone.
     
  24. 56GoldTop

    56GoldTop Forum Resident

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    Pioneer ELITE CT-05D
    Pioneer ELITE CT-07D

    Essentially Digital Noise Reduction from what I understand. I've seen pics of the 07; seems it had a coaxial digital input as well as analog rca's. So, I presume there was some type of internal adc/dac and dsp for removing noise in the digital domain... I've never heard one; but, apparently, it worked pretty well; nevertheless, overshadowed by CDs just like LPs... were...
     
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  25. sunspot42

    sunspot42 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    It did noise reduction, beyond anything Dolby was capable of, and could work on cassettes where Dolby wasn't used (or where only Dolby B had been used).

    You could do something similar today, but I seriously doubt Toshiba has.

    If I were gonna resurrect the cassette today and try to build an affordable deck that exploited modern digital signal processing to improve performance, here are the things I'd consider:

    Digital noise reduction, like that old Pioneer deck had
    Digital removal of wow and flutter, possibly using something like the Plangent Process
    A virtual recreation of the Dolby B circuit for playback
    Digital equalization, to accommodate for the limitations of the head in the deck
    Using modern technologies to make radically different but still cheap and compatible heads (something like the thin film heads in DCC decks)
    Digital auto-reverse - the deck plays both sides at once and stores them in memory

    All of that mostly applies to playback, although some could be useful for recording as well. If you wanted to get really fancy and create a deck that can record too, you might add on:

    A digital companding noise reduction scheme similar to dbx (or flat out dbx)
    Dolby B, C and S noise reduction, implemented via software
    Advanced auto-bias correction
    Automated tape profiling, driving the equalization of the signal prior to recording to account for tape/head shortcomings
    Advanced automated level setting, guided by the individual tape's saturation characteristics
    Advanced bias level adjustment, similar to HX Pro (or just flat out a recreation of HX Pro)

    I cannot imagine there would be enough of a market to support such a beast, but then again hipsters are running out to buy $300 turntables, so who knows.
     
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