Universal Music commits to Hi-Res Audio

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Bowie Fett, Feb 17, 2017.

  1. Bowie Fett

    Bowie Fett Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Los Angeles, CA
  2. John 90125

    John 90125 Member

    My first thoughts were why another format to add to 24Bit Flac, BluRay, SACD, DVD-Audio? Were these not ment to provide the ultimate listining experience?

    Looks like after pushing Pure Audio Blu-ray, Universal is giving us yet another format. To try to sell the music we have already bought over the years in yet another format, does this mean the demise of lossless 24Bit Flac for buying digital HiRes to be replaced by a lossey format?

    From what I have read MQA is a closed source format that is packaged in an open source container, so how much will the licensing fees (in music production) for MQA increase the cost of music, as well as the cost the listener will need to pay in having to buy MQA licensed hardware? Also seems a bit cheeky packiging it in an open source container.

    These articles might be of intrest:
    Why the proprietary MQA music encoding system is better than DRM, but still not good
    MQA is bad for music. Here's why
    Why we won't be supporting MQA
    MQA: a non-hostile takeover?
  3. colinu

    colinu I'm not lazy, I'm energy efficient!

    We don't need another format.

    We don't need another format especially if the result is the same brick-walled mutilated muck the industry seems intent on pushing at us.
  4. deadcoldfish

    deadcoldfish Forum Resident

    Santa Rosa, CA
    The format doesn't determine the mastering approach, as Uni has pursued poor mastering choices across all of its formats, including Blu-Ray Audio, so it would be no surprise for their MQA product to be the same.

    What, you say Meridian won't allow it ? Yeah, all those license fees from Uni will talk ...
  5. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

    Toronto, Canada
    They're at the "grasping at straws" phase so I'll give them some leeway; for now. :)
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  6. TokenGesture

    TokenGesture Forum Resident

    Well I find it easier to stream MQA hi Rez over wifi than Qobuz - much less glitching, for one thing.
  7. Bowie Fett

    Bowie Fett Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Los Angeles, CA
    At the moment, Blu-Ray is the perfect format for physical product. Mastering is the issue. I'll gladly pay extra for my favorite music if they're properly mastered.
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  8. PanaPlasma

    PanaPlasma Forum Resident

    Belgium, Europe
    I'm afraid hardly anybody has bought those blu-rays.

    And if you are using digital out on blu-ray player, audio got limited to 48khz. Ridiculous.

    Downloads are much easier.
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  9. dobyblue

    dobyblue Forum Resident

    This, why doesn't the industry get this? No-one wants to buy or stream 24/192 DR5 releases. We have CDs for that crap.
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  10. dobyblue

    dobyblue Forum Resident

    I don't think very many of the 5.1 mixes I've picked up on Blu-ray are available for download.
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  11. silverhead

    silverhead Forum Resident

    Edinburgh Scotland
    This reads like lyrics from Pink Floyd's "Another brick in the wall".:)
    And I agree we don't need another format.
  12. Bowie Fett

    Bowie Fett Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Los Angeles, CA
    I've had (and been near) conversations with artists about sound quality. Most blame the CD format itself. Others say the record companies believe modern ears want their music to cancel outside noise. Modern ears...I hear those two words a lot.
  13. segue

    segue Forum Resident

    Does this MQA format have any DRM component that we as consumers need to be aware of?

    Universal insists on watermarking, which many believe adds artifacts despite MQA claims.
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2017
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  14. Simon_LDT

    Simon_LDT Forum Resident

    England, UK
    This is not needed at all. Flac is perfect for storing hi-res music. The only reason this MQA nonsense is being pushed is because it's more than likely full of DRM/Copy Protection and as already pointed out above, there will probably be some kind of licensing fee for the use of this format.
  15. Gaslight

    Gaslight Cave dwelller

    Northeast USA
    No DRM, but it's a proprietary format. So it will only play in its "full" capacity on licensed hardware.

    No thanks.
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  16. TokenGesture

    TokenGesture Forum Resident

    Its being pushed as a streaming format. Read up.
  17. c-eling

    c-eling Forum Resident

    Some like that little light that tells you it's wonderful... :D
    According to that Linn article, the watermark could also be used for embedding in DL's and even CDDA.
    This whole thing smells of control/$ Will be interesting to see how this pans out in the next few years
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  18. Gaslight

    Gaslight Cave dwelller

    Northeast USA
    If that was to me...yep, I did read up. We already have a lossless / high-res capable format that supports streaming. It's called FLAC.

    Difference between that and MQA is that FLAC is open source. Means that I can already play it on existing hardware and it's not going to auto-downsample to CDDA if that hardware vendor didn't pay a licensing fee.

    This would be analogous to buying a vinyl record that has special grooves that only play back in its highest fidelity on a turntable that was licensed. Anything else and you'd get to play the other groove that plays back in lower fidelity. I can imagine how well that would go over.
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  19. jeffmo789

    jeffmo789 Give The Gift of Music!

    New England
    I would like to see a headline that says "Universal Music commits to Quality Control".

    How many boxsets have they botched in recent years?
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