Van Halen: Women and Children First (1980) Song by Song

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by GodShifter, Nov 30, 2017.

  1. vamborules

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    One more thing about this song is I think it's a great example of how important Ted Templeman was in the VH story. You listen to the demos of this and it's more or less the same song but it's just kind of okay, or maybe a bit better than okay. It's pretty good but it's missing something.

    Then they get in there with Ted and it really doesn't change that much, but it's changed enough to take it from pretty good to incredible.

    Of course it's years later and they were a better band, but you can hear the same thing with a lot of the demos. The songs got better once Ted was involved.
     
  2. shifts in tempo and dynamic that foretell a few songs on the next album (Fair Warning) - have always loved it when artists give hints to future directions on their final songs (Rush is an obvious example with "Vital Signs" closing Moving Pictures, leading into the dub-reggae heavy "Signals" album).
     
  3. 131east23

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    House to myself... finally spinning WACF at a proper volume.
     
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  4. Loved cranking "Loss of Control" on my step-dad's HUGE HK Sansui speakers when I was younger.

    The panning solo section, so damned cool at maximum volume.
     
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  5. Cooks420

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    Perfectly stated.
    Great, now I want to listen to Bullet Boys.
     
  6. 131east23

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    Oh yes... it sounds really nice through my Cornwalls too.
     
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  7. Rose River Bear

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  8. 131east23

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    I think this is the best song on the album. It checks lots of boxes all at once.
     
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  9. Romeo Delight for pure rock energy, Simple Rhyme for melody and resonance.

    IOW, both sides end fantastically well.
     
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  10. interesting to compare songs like "Everybody Wants Some" and "Dirty Movies" to later Hagar sex raps "Black and Blue" and "Amsterdam"
     
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  11. GodShifter

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    SMOOOOOTH UP IN YA !!!!!
     
  12. GodShifter

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    That’s a good one! Why don’t you do it? You know a crap ton more theory than me. Your album by album threads are quite good.
     
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  13. Oliver

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    I will say that today I gave WACF a full listen during some long uninterrupted highway driving and it was cool listening to it now remembering a lot of the comments and perspectives from this thread.
     
  14. Don't forget E'nuff Z'nuff !!!
     
  15. GodShifter

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    I’d like to ....

    :hurlleft:
     
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  16. Musicman1998

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    Take Your Whiskey Home:
    Ah, this tune.
    It begins with this neat little acoustic tune. When Dave starts at :09, he has this cool low-key swagger that he really can embody, basically doing what Sammy did on Finish What Ya Started and doing it in a way that's good. Really Finish What Ua Started is what this song would be if it sucked, it is the most plastic, soulless, balless, whitebread **** this side of Barry Manilow. And we must mention the way Mike and Al really swing on this tune, make it really pop, whereas they just plod along on Finish What Ya Started, and Eddie does some ripping her tasty playing on this tune, has the slight blues bent but does it his way.
    This song is pure badassery, and better than Judgement Day. I give it a record without Sammy Hagar on a scale of one to ten
     
  17. Musicman1998

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    For someone who likes Judgement Day, I can see how E'nuff Z'nuff would be good.
    Goddamn, what a third rate band
     
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  18. vamborules

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    The thing about this album is it sounds incredibly confident. They knew where they were and they knew where they were going and you can hear that all over this record. It was really their time and they knew it.

    “The '80s is it, it belongs to Van Halen.” – David Lee Roth, 1980
     
  19. GodShifter

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    I don’t even know what “Judgment Day” is. I’m guessing it’s not the Denis Leary/Emilio Estevez movie? (Good soundtrack on that one, btw).

    As to E’nuff Z’nuff = no thanks.
     
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  20. Musicman1998

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    It's a Van hagar song
     
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  21. unless you're particularly averse to power ballads, this tune has merit.

     
  22. GodShifter

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    Agreed. A decent song for sure.
     
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  23. vamborules

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    Enuff Znuff definitely have some good tunes. Donnie Vie has a great sense of melody.

     
  24. Jimmy B.

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    I like that he wanted just one guitar track when he started recording them, no double-tracking. A VERY wise decision on his part!
     
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  25. Their album art and pastel colour themes lead many to believe that E/Z is more glam/image conscious than musically conscious - they're a bit above the average hair metal band at least vocally and in songwriting if not in guitar chops.
     
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