Van Halen: Women and Children First (1980) Song by Song

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  1. Cooks420

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    ... Power ballads? Skid Row’s “Slave” features three, and they ALL reign supreme?
     
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  2. Great album, it was nice to hear 3-4 songs from Slave when Skid Row opened for Van Halen on the Balance (1995) tour.
     
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  3. TexasBuck

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    Simple Rhyme may be Van Halen's most musically ambitious song with the tempo changes and complex harmonies. It's a bit of a curve ball from the band. I can't really think of a VH song that is similar. (Little Guitars perhaps?) Simple Rhyme works especially well as a closer. Great finish to a great album.
     
  4. I vote for FW. It's apparently the overall fan favourite (after the first album), it's the closest they came to a concept album, it stands out from the rest of the catalog as a relatively dark album, it's the album that most clearly demonstrates sonically the attention DLR was paying to the punk scene. All of these being good points for discussion/argument!
     
  5. dadonred

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    I’d go Fair Warning, mix it up with great and not so great :hide:
    VHII would be another great one “too soon.”
    It’s been decades since I revisited FW. Wow!
     
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  6. dadonred

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    I stopped at Fair Warning but should have stopped at Diver Down.
     
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  7. npgchris

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    With your avatar, I would have guessed you'd have gone farther than I did! :laugh:

    :cheers:

    On a completely different note, why in the heck is there a "plankton" smilie on this message board??? :-plnktn-:

    (Is it supposed to be a Spongebob Squarepants reference?)

    We now return you to the Van Halen WACF thread!
     
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  8. dadonred

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    Everything you’ve said on this thread I think I’ve agreed with in triplicate!
     
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  9. dadonred

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    Yeah, I was wondering if someone would point that out. FW was too different, dark for me. Although I did see them on that tour too. For me, the best part of that tour was that he added Cathedral during his solo. I don’t know if you can imagine the shear joy of hearing that before it was released, the magical 360 degree sound in the auditorium and just watching him work that volume knob. I was awe-struck. But I moved on to Rush, Journey, The Police heavy in 82-83. I have no regrets. And I really didn’t like the Sammy thing.
     
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  10. Holy Diver

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    I really like Could This Be Magic? Great little tune. Any time Eddie plays an acoustic it's a treat. I also think the band's underrated for this kind of song.
     
  11. GodShifter

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    Okay, we’re going to do Fair Warning. I’ll start it tomorrow. Kewl?
     
  12. dadonred

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    Tres kewl
     
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  13. Matthew Tate

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    thank you. thas my favorite VH album
     
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  14. Matthew Tate

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    agreed. they were more like a cross between the beatles, cheap trick and a hint of poison
     
  15. Matthew Tate

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    -in a simple rhyme- guess its just me but compared to the closing tracks on the bands first 2 albums this one left me a bit cold. I like the song. I just don't think its a closer but then again side b is so wacky I guess it fits
     
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  16. ohnothimagen

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    I'm not a huge Van Halen fan, but I enjoyed reading and following this thread...I haven't actually heard Women And Children First since high school, took me back a bit...all I really remember about the LP is "Everybody Wants Some!!"
    Fair Warning! It's always been my favourite of theirs...
    Hell, it's the only VH album I actually own nowadays (on vinyl, no less)
    Very kewl!:righton:
     
  17. Matthew Tate

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    fair warning seems to be a favorite for a lot of people
     
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  18. ohnothimagen

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    Don't ask me why. I mean I've heard everything except for the dreaded Van Halen III, but Fair Warning is the only album of theirs that's stuck with me all these years.
     
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  19. Holy Diver

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    For me, In a Simple Rhyme is the best song on the album, and one of the best Van Halen songs ever. The band is incredible on this. Just a tour de force. All four guys tear it up. Dave rips the vocals, Mike rips the bass, and Alex rips the drums. Eddie's solo is one of my favorites, and the rhythm guitar right after the solo is just smokin'. As Dave would say, "It's a stellar production." I love the ending, as well. Very cool heavy riff. Just a great, great song.
     
  20. pool_of_tears

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    Si
     
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  21. pool_of_tears

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    And such an underrated song, too.
     
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  22. Matthew Tate

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    VHIII is not that bad. its actually pretty good. first off to me the main issue is the production is garbage compared to any other VH album. very thin sounding. next up the closing track with EVH singing the lead is terrible and needs to be dropped. also "from afar" should be dropped and replaced with "that's why I love you" which was a song dropped at the last second from the album for a different song. finally several of the others songs like "once", "year to the day" and "Josephina" are way too long. actually almost every song could have at least 1 minute chopped but the 3 I mentioned just drag on. the album is about 65 minutes long and I'd say it needed to be closer to 50 minutes. dropping the final song , replacing "from afar" with "thats why i love you" and chopping another 6-7 minutes worth of music from the remaining songs would have made a huge difference.
     
  23. RelayerNJ

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    What?? I didn't know this got started! I've worked on some of the solos over the years, if any gunslingers here want to share their experiences.

    ...AND THE CRADLE WILL ROCK

    A fun one, and one of Ed's more accessible tunes to play (not that it's easy, just in relation to some of the other VH gems). As always, very tasty playing and very imaginative rhythm work.

     
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  24. Is that you Eddie Trunk?
     
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  25. Audio does indeed exist! You can find it on the 4 CD “Looney Tunes Merrie Melodies: The Unreleased” comp. More info here:

    Looney Tunes Merrie Melodies: The Unreleased - Van Halen Bootleg Discography
     
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