I realize that this is likely going to depend on the amp and the speaker sensitivity (in this case cary sli-80 with rolled tubes/Von schweikert vr 4jr bone stock), but... How high do you normally turn up the volume on your amp before it clips? Like in "o'clocks"? I had previously had a musical fidelity A3.2 solid state amp running my speakers (tops) and was bi-amping with a parasound amp to the subs. I replaced the MF amp with the Cary. Kept the Bi-amp set up for a while and have now just bi wired the Cary with no other amp to the speakers. Used to be the mf couldn't go much past about 11:00 before it was PLENTY LOUD. the Cary being of less power needs to be at around 1-2:00 before it's plenty loud, although normally I have it at 11:00 and it's at about conversation level. ANYWAY I guess I'm more curious than anything to know where everyone's volume knobs are when listening on average levels (conversation level or slightly above is my preference), when you are cranking, and (!) where your amp exhibits audible clipping (something I've never experienced with my amps)?